In a message dated 8/15/2005 8:28:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx writes: It is all in the interpretation. I can tell you when you compare ours to others we sure don't come across looking very good. Also, you should hear the remarks from judges and new people applying for the breed when they see what we have to offer. It does not even come close to compare in education or quality to what the other breeds are providing their new judges. Even if we were to decide to keep the one as is we should still do a reprint, have color photos and put it in booklet form rather than just a couple of loose sheets. Lee Brown In a message dated 8/15/2005 8:28:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx writes: It is all in the interpretation. I can tell you when you compare ours to others we sure don't come across looking very good. Also, you should hear the remarks from judges and new people applying for the breed when they see what we have to offer. It does not even come close to compare in education or quality to what the other breeds are providing their new judges. Even if we were to decide to keep the one as is we should still do a reprint, have color photos and put it in booklet form rather than just a couple of loose sheets. Lee Brown OK Lee, now you have my attention, if you are talking about a presentation to new judges, maybe a" reprint is in order", but "not a change in the illustration". and with today's technology, color can be added to the drawings, or photos of properly structured dogs may be incorporated into a booklet. But the question is" who will be selecting the photos", as you have said it is all a matter of interpretation. I have seen the video that has been around for new judges to look at ,and the interpretation of the dogs presented is not to the standard. Go back to Goldbecker's book and take a look at the illustrations, the illustration of the dog showing the balanced, extended trot could surely and most definitely win at a National and go high select. There are some wonderful dogs presented at the national that still represent this image. Proving that the illustrated standard should remain as is and is "not outdated". JMHO Diane Piagentini _www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com/) Home of 1985 GV Ossipee Ceasar v Clover Acres CD ROM,ROMC & Sel. Deb-Mar's Pandora www.debmarscavalierkingcharlesspaniels.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================