Yes he carried the black factor. One of his early Champions was a solid black. He does not carry the coat factor... Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com From: Cindy [mailto:sophoclesajax@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:31 PM To: Carolyn Martello Cc: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; myjoygs@xxxxxxx; genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx; CDRHVN@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Question / answers on blacks Did Elvaston's Southern Byrne by Boss also carry for black, Carolyn? Or anyone else who knows? On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: We have done the same with Boss. He was a bi color that carried the black factor ( and in fact...is where many of the blacks today come from ) <G> Bred him to a sable that also carried the black factor. Therefore...she produced her sable coloring and her black recessive and Boss produced his Bi color and his black recessive. Got sables and blacks and bi colors. This has nothing to do with black to black though. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Question / answers on blacks Bred a black recessive to sable. Results: Black and Tan Black Sable Original Message=================== A solid black is double recessive for solid black. In other words...blacks carry ONLY the black factor. They can only produce blacks when bred to a black. Black and tans or sables carry the color they ARE ( the color or marking you see ) and another color pattern. ( GSD's carry two colors....one you see and the one you don't see ) When the 'other color' is for blacks ...you can or will get blacks from the breeding to a black....or you can get blacks from two black and tans or a sable and a black and tan if their 'other color' is for black. It's a recessive....like long coats. Easy to breed IN and easy to breed OUT. Blacks ONLY carry black. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of myjoygs@xxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:15 AM To: genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx; CDRHVN@xxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Question on blacks I think you could get blacks and b/t Black is a recessive gene not a dominant gene. If you bred Sable to Sable which is dominant I believe you would get a litter of sables. MYJOY SHEPHERDS Joyce Willis -----Original Message----- From: Amy Greenhut <genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: CDRHVN <CDRHVN@xxxxxxx> Cc: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:01 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Question on blacks If you breed a black to a black.....you will have an all black litter.... Amy Greenhut Justrock Shepherds ----- Original Message ----- From: CDRHVN@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:31:42 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Question on blacks If you have a black bitch (father black tan, Mother black) and you breed her to a black male (father and mother black tan) what do you get? So black to black. What do you get ,all black litter or black and also blackTan litter? Thanks. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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