Any judge that penalizes a dog for one bad pass after having multiple good passes is looking for a reason not to put the dog up on the flip side a judge can also find a reason to put an inferior dog up. There is a difference between playing games and judging to the standard( which also can be loosely translated into "my dog didn;t win under this particular judge). Judges playing games is a completely different topic. A dog that let's down a little might have an off day, may not be in as good a condtion as you think, may have a structual defect that the breeder/owner fails to see or admit to, or the dog may lack the mental tenacity that it takes to be a competitor. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Barnhart" <jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ELG440@xxxxxxx Cc: "vicki roye" <vicki.roye@xxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 2:26:48 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Movement I'm with you on this one Evan. Dogs should be well conditioned but I've seen more than once the better dog lose because after endless gaiting it "let down a little" according to the judge. Another peeve is after showing a judge it's superior conformation to it's competitors it has a "bad pass" and is penalized and loses. Just judge to the standard and quit playing games. Jim Barnhart On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:39 AM, ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: > In a message dated 3/16/2012 6:58:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > vicki.roye@xxxxxxxxx writes: > > With all due respect, there are a lot of breed champions who can > show us > what terrible movement is all about. > > > > I would say some, and that is the exception. When we have Ed judge the > National, that does not happen. It is up to the judge to say what is > Select and > those chosen are mostly worthy. > > > Evan L. Ginsburg > Asgard German Shepherds > http://www.asgardgsd.com/ > Where Type Movement and Temperament come together > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================