On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:14:41 -0700 (PDT), "D.G.Bonome" <lexieshep@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:=20 >Then people might as well go to a shelter, look for a dog that=20 >resembles a GSD, take 2 pics and get an ILP #, if the AKC=20 >thinks it is a GSD. Why bother with a breeder? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WOW!!! Kinda freakin' HARSH, don't you think??? :( There are LOTS of worthy purebred dogs out there who, for whatever reason (not the fault of the dog), do not happen to be registered with AKC. Like rescue and shelter dogs. Or like my new English setter. His papers were never sent in by his first owner. He just turned 4 years old in June, so even if this woman still has the papers, it's doubtful he could be registered without very heavy fines and a lot of stepping and fetching that just isn't worth the time! He's neutered, so an ILP number will be just fine for him and me both. We can do anything we want *except* conformation, which we couldn't do anyway because Rusty is neutered. Oh... And by the way... I really rather resent the snarky comment about "Why bother with a breeder." It is BECAUSE of a ***GREAT** breeder -- my good friend and the owner of my dog's sire -- that I have him at all. Or that he is even alive!!! She is the one who paid out of her own pocket to ship him from his doofus owner in Florida to her kennel in Massachusetts when she heard that the first owner was going to dump the dog at the local kill shelter! And she (my friend) is the one who kept him and groomed him and loved him for the last 3 years until she could find just the right home. I just thank God that she thought enough of me and my hubby to let us be that home. What's your beef, anyway? You want to deny good dogs and owners the ability to compete for AKC titles just because the dog was abandoned in a shelter or had a stoopid owner(s)? Not very SPORTING of you, I'd say... :/ Flame suit on... Have at it! Karen M. Carloni kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx "Sporting dogs give you the bird!!!" ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================