In a message dated 8/7/2005 4:08:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx writes: in Canton Ohio steel city cluster in the course of that judging in one of my classes an entry did not pass the temperament test it was a good size class that had a brief interruption after which i continued judging at the conclusion of that class I had placed the entry that failed the temperament test [ I just forgot ] the placing was not first place so it did not alter the outcome of the show. I would like to have the opinion of the other judges or anyone as to how other than the way I did would you have handled this. The way Fred did this is just fine, however, I do not feel an explanation is necessary. You say what you believe from the center of the ring. If asked after the show, I would be glad to say why I did what I did, in private. My judging speaks for itself. Good or bad. Recently in a show I judged a bitch acted up on the individual. I did not see fear, but certainly she did not stand as we expect. However, the overall quality in the class was such, that coupled with her actions and my decision that it was not a temperament problem, I gave her the class. I did not feel a need to explain it, but I know how it looked from outside the ring. We have to make our decisions in the ring, and most of us are just human, (shut up Paul) and can make mistakes. That is part of the process. Fred did the honest thing, but I would not have done so. But, he is not wrong to do it, if he believes it is necessary. We should be willing to say why we did what we did in the ring, but I would prefer to do so after the judging in private, or with a critique. Fred still has not explained the German dog he put behind me in the class at the national. Why he placed that dog might call for a explanation. So far he hasn't said anything to me. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================