Since just coming back in the breed this year, I've only been to a few shows again. Of those few shows, two of them were "biggies" and of significance.....one being the Northeast Futurity and the "granddaddy of them all", the National. I agree we have some beautiful representatives of the breed.....lovely breed type - infact, in some cases, gorgeous breed type. If you have frozen sperm on a dog that can improve on the dogs that I've seen at these shows that show SERIOUS fautlts of gait and I emphazie that word SERIOUS on purpose, then I say take him out of retirement and use him. Fronts leave a lot to be desired. I've never seen so much lifting at the elbow or reaching from an improper lay back of shoulder. The rears are some of the worse I've seen in a long time. I never seen so many dogs lifting in the rear as I did at the National. Want proof of it, buy the dvd's and slow the dog down to the slowest speed you can and you will see it time and time again. That IMO, was one of the most serious faults of gaits that I saw was the kicking up in the rear. And as for side gait......well you might as well forget about that, if they're reaching from the elbow and lifting in the rear, what kind of side gait is that? Saw so many bad, flat croups - that's ugly. But pretty, oh yes we have pretty alright while they're standing there or being stacked. Watch them move and see how pretty they look then. Breeders have sacrificed movement for breed type when it states in the standard faults in gait is to be considered a SERIOUS fault. I don't remember the standard saying anything about faults in type being a serious fault. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't have the standard sitting in front of me as I write this. Just going by memory......and that can be a little tricky at 11:30 at night. So if there is a dog who is deceseased and was known to correct these above areas, please ask him to do his "thing" again because the breed IMO is in SERIOUS trouble when a judge can stand in the center of the ring and is re-writing the standard when he puts a dog up just for type. If I hear one more time from a judge or a breeder that type is what wins and that shoulders and movement are not what they're looking for today, I just might put my finger down my throat and gag. If that's what the majority of breeders want, then let the PC re-write the standard, so we won't have dogs who were bred to move according to our current standard, we'll just have dogs who can win beauty pageants instead! Not asking you to agree, but darn if there are some "oldies but goodies" who can still contiribute to the breed, let's rock and roll! Why not combine the movement of yesterday with the beauty of today? Nothing wrong with that. Sort of like getting the best of both worlds, (and no.....no pun was intended)! The only thing that was intended is..............MHO, Barbara Galasso ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: > > >In a message dated 12/9/05 8:54:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >Stormy435@xxxxxxx writes: >Someone once >posted that with the strides that have been made in breeding, is it a good >thing to turn back? I am not saying that, but wondering if that could be >right.....that going back to past studs is not in the best interests of the >breed? > > > >That was my question. I don't have the answer, and I still am pondering it. > We have frozen sperm on Ben, and will have to consider if we want to use it >or not. 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