In a message dated 8/25/2005 2:10:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, PAGAIRS writes: Evan, if I may ask, how do you get to the show ring without "breeding" according toi the standard? If you are judging you apply, and get a license. If you are handling you run, buy some good shoes, and charge a lot of money. If you are entering your breedings, you study the past generations, read the pedigrees, watch what has won in the ring for the past years. Then you look over the Illustrated Standard, read the standard as set by the parent club of your breed, and then you look at what the dam you plan to breed to has produced in the past, and what the stud dog you have picked has produced. Then, when you breed your two choices, you hope for a little luck, and then enter the show ring with what you have produced. That is how you get to the show ring. You can do that by breeding to the standard, and then you will win. You can not breed to the standard, and not win, but that would just be stupid. But, the question was about the illustrated standard. The illustrated standard is a very small part of how you get to the show ring. Thanks for asking. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================