You should always used qualifiers, Ed :-) MOST are sterile. almost all.. but
in every case there has been rare fertile off-spring. Here’s one:
http://www.denverpost.com/2007/07/25/mules-foal-fools-genetics-with-impossible-birth/
<http://www.denverpost.com/2007/07/25/mules-foal-fools-genetics-with-impossible-birth/>
I’ve run across others, too.. on the different species… but most rare, indeed.
Stormy
On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:14 PM, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Your argument is with zoologist scientists who in 1993 reclassified Canines
and wolves as being the same species to make this brief one of the most
qualifying factors to be considered as belonging to a particular species is
the fact two animals that breed and their offspring is fertile! A horse and a
donkey can breed but their offspring "mule" is sterile ... An lion and tiger
can breed and their offspring ' liger' is sterile! A wolf and a dog can breed
and their offspring is VERY fertile... Now you are free to believe what you
want.... I'm just giving you the science..... Domestication has absolutely
nothing to do with species classification... Domestication by man is why most
dogs look nothing like wolves Ed
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Dogs vs. the wolf in intelligence
You will never domesticate a wolf. They have the same ancestors, but they
are not the same.
That is like saying a tiger is like a kitten. I don't care how much you work
with the tiger, he will never want to sit on your lap, or be tame. Just ask
Roy.
Evan
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http://www.dogshowjuniors.com/GSYRFindex.asp ;
<http://www.dogshowjuniors.com/GSYRFindex.asp>
http://asgardgermanshepherd.com/ ;<http://asgardgermanshepherd.com/>
In a message dated 9/13/2016 2:48:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
There are lots of differences between wolves and dogs, just as there are lots
of differences between Great Danes and basset hounds, still all of them are
of the same species! Domestication is something done by humans. Ed
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Dogs vs. the wolf in intelligence
As someone who had a friend that always owned a wolf, I can tell you there is
a difference. A wolf is never domesticated. A dog most often is.
You can get a wolf to put up with you, but they remain a wild animal.
Evan
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http://www.dogshowjuniors.com/GSYRFindex.asp ;
<http://www.dogshowjuniors.com/GSYRFindex.asp>
http://asgardgermanshepherd.com/ ;<http://asgardgermanshepherd.com/>
In a message dated 9/13/2016 10:21:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
Dogs ARE wolves ( they really and truly are) Ed
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Cc: freelist
Sent: September 13, 2016 at 9:16 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Dogs vs. the wolf in intelligence
Kathy,
I also wanted to thank you Thanks for breaking that block of ice that has
made the last couple of weeks so COLD on the listserve.
John Lacher
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On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:10 AM, <kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> <kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Dogs Are Less Likely Than Wolves to Solve Problems on Their Own
A recent study involved 10 pet dogs, 10 shelter dogs
<http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2015/10/09/adopting-shelter-dogs.aspx>
and 10 wolves given three opportunities to open a puzzle box (a covered
plastic container containing a bit of sausage, with a rope that would open
the box when pulled). <>4
<http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2016/09/12/dog-socio-cognitive-advancement.aspx?utm_source=petsnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20160912Z1&et_cid=DM116502&et_rid=1661255178#_edn4>
The animals were given access to the puzzle boxes under different scenarios.
In one test, the animals were left alone with the box for 2 minutes. Eight of
the wolves opened the box during this test, compared to one shelter dog and
no pet dogs.
In the next test, the animals were given access to the puzzle with an
experimenter standing nearby. The results were nearly identical: eight wolves
succeeded in opening the box as did one pet dog, but no shelter dogs solved
the puzzle.
Of note, the dogs spent much more time gazing at the human than the wolves
did. The dogs that had previously failed to open the puzzle box were then
given another chance, during which a human used gestures and spoke positively
to encourage the dogs to keep trying.
This time, four of the shelter dogs and one pet dog solved the puzzle, and
all the dogs spent much more time trying to solve the puzzle than they had
previously.
While the wolves are persistent and independent, working hard to solve the
problem on their own with little notice or expectation of help from humans,
dogs “prefer a social cognitive solution,” Udell said, meaning they prefer to
get help from their owner.
This is in part our “fault,” since we so often tell our dogs what to do and,
more often, what not to do. Udell told Science: <>5
<http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2016/09/12/dog-socio-cognitive-advancement.aspx?utm_source=petsnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20160912Z1&et_cid=DM116502&et_rid=1661255178#_edn5>
“It’s not that dogs can’t do it … But they don’t even try unless they’re
socially motivated … We tell them not to do things, so they learn to inhibit
their actions and to wait for directions from us …
The pet dogs seem to err on the side of caution, even though solving the
problem independently would be fine, and their owner is telling them that
it’s okay.”
I found this to be extremely interesting and of course wondered if any of the
dogs were German shepherd. Kathy Partch www.JoKaySedona.com
<http://www.jokaysedona.com/>
