My experienced training pet dogs for people has taught me that wolves are not
dogs, but dogs are wolves. There are certain things we humans can do to express
our dominance that dogs will respond to with the wolf in them……feeding them
after the provider of the food is sated is critical…..I have used “pretending
to eat their food before giving it to them” to change how dogs react to humans
far too often to doubt it.
Sheila
On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Michel Ebertin <michel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I had read once that a major difference between wolves and dogs is that a dog
laps water whereas a wolf actually sucks and drinks. In that same document
was a note that the wolf mother will take her pups to water and kill the one
that laps (supposedly the dog).
Michel
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You will never domesticate a wolf. They have the same ancestors, but they
are not the same.
That is like saying a tiger is like a kitten. I don't care how much you work
with the tiger, he will never want to sit on your lap, or be tame. Just ask
Roy.
Evan
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In a message dated 9/13/2016 2:48:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
There are lots of differences between wolves and dogs, just as there are
lots of differences between Great Danes and basset hounds, still all of them
are of the same species! Domestication is something done by humans. Ed
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As someone who had a friend that always owned a wolf, I can tell you there
is a difference. A wolf is never domesticated. A dog most often is.
You can get a wolf to put up with you, but they remain a wild animal.
Evan
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In a message dated 9/13/2016 10:21:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Dogs ARE wolves ( they really and truly are) Ed
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Kathy,
I also wanted to thank you Thanks for breaking that block of ice that has
made the last couple of weeks so COLD on the listserve.
John Lacher
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On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:10 AM, <kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> <kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:kathy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Dogs Are Less Likely Than Wolves to Solve Problems on Their Own
A recent study involved 10 pet dogs, 10 shelter dogs
<http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2015/10/09/adopting-shelter-dogs.aspx>
and 10 wolves given three opportunities to open a puzzle box (a covered
plastic container containing a bit of sausage, with a rope that would
open the box when pulled). <>4
<http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2016/09/12/dog-socio-cognitive-advancement.aspx?utm_source=petsnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20160912Z1&et_cid=DM116502&et_rid=1661255178#_edn4>
The animals were given access to the puzzle boxes under different
scenarios. In one test, the animals were left alone with the box for 2
minutes. Eight of the wolves opened the box during this test, compared
to one shelter dog and no pet dogs.
In the next test, the animals were given access to the puzzle with an
experimenter standing nearby. The results were nearly identical: eight
wolves succeeded in opening the box as did one pet dog, but no shelter
dogs solved the puzzle.
Of note, the dogs spent much more time gazing at the human than the
wolves did. The dogs that had previously failed to open the puzzle box
were then given another chance, during which a human used gestures and
spoke positively to encourage the dogs to keep trying.
This time, four of the shelter dogs and one pet dog solved the puzzle,
and all the dogs spent much more time trying to solve the puzzle than
they had previously.
While the wolves are persistent and independent, working hard to solve
the problem on their own with little notice or expectation of help from
humans, dogs “prefer a social cognitive solution,” Udell said, meaning
they prefer to get help from their owner.
This is in part our “fault,” since we so often tell our dogs what to do
and, more often, what not to do. Udell told Science: <>5
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“It’s not that dogs can’t do it … But they don’t even try unless they’re
socially motivated … We tell them not to do things, so they learn to
inhibit their actions and to wait for directions from us …
The pet dogs seem to err on the side of caution, even though solving the
problem independently would be fine, and their owner is telling them
that it’s okay.”
I found this to be extremely interesting and of course wondered if any
of the dogs were German shepherd. Kathy Partch www.JoKaySedona.com
<http://www.jokaysedona.com/>
