In a message dated 8/12/2005 2:39:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vande001@xxxxxxxxx writes: I could see how a dog could get out of its crate, especially those cheap ones you are talking about, but I am having a hard time envisioning how a dog could 'break-into' a crate, much less five of them. I would certainly like more information about this, especailly since I also have birds. Hah! I could NEVER put Cody in a vari-kennel (the real ones, not the walmart kind). He pulls the doors inward until they bend far enough in that the clasp flys off, the top and bottom don't hold and he simply removes the doors...I can't tell you how many welds he's broken on metal crates and yes...he will liberate others, he can unlock French doors, open Mason runs etc., because God knows, there are no crates in Cody's world and he really hates closed doors too. It's not separation anxiety and he's not the least bit nervous when he does this...he calmly and methodically figures out the hardware. (Cody rides in a custom made "box", and no, he doesn't fly.) Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================