"Dm tested everything in my kennel during the first round of all this some years ago. Some that were proclaimed clear - ended up with DM and died before their time. Some that tested positive lived to ripe old ages and were sound until the very end I have no faith in it at this point at all. I recently lost a Champion at 14 1/2 - no DM. have a 12 and 1/2 year old Ch now - moves like a dream still. That's what I trust. Have frozen semen on them both :-). Looking at bloodlines and what you have seen in your dogs generation through generation will often tell the tale as to what to expect. Most all of us know the heartbreak of DM but some of us have also experienced the failure of the testing to be accurate. You could find that your DM clear to DM clear breeding may not be as clear as you think in the final analysis. Doesn't mean you must test or that you shouldn't test. Just means it's not necessarily an exact science. A little honesty in breeding would go a long way towards eliminating lots of problems. Testing is a tool to assist but, taken to the extreme, can in itself be damaging when you rely totally upon it. I learned that personally from DM testing experiences. Lynda" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ These are the kind of statistics I would prefer to see, because they are real life situations. It would be nice to have a database with names of dogs that actually had DM. I do not see the test as a waste of money if we use it to prove its accuracy like what you have been through Lynda. Having a database with DM results and Necropsy results would only further this research and benefit our breed. You can conduct the test at DDC center if you do not want to post them on OFA due to the inaccuracies just to have on hand to compare them to a necropsy result. I hope that makes sense. I know money is tight for all of us but if at all possible it would only help the research of these tests. By DM testing and running the necropsy tests we would have true honest black and white results. It is really sad if dogs are being eliminated out of our breeding programs if these results are not even accurate. Tammy www.noble-spirit-shepherds.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================