Evan did you really mena to say this, "The entries, although some good dogs, (Ben was entered in the first class to support the decision), the winners have established the lack of value of the class." I thought Ben had value. Last year's Conditional Class only had one entry it was Julie Degen's PAM CH Carousel Farms Caisson TD PT AX OAJ NAP NJP TC OFA H&E. Cassie is out of AOE Sel CH Carousel Farms Samantha PT TC OFA H&E by Sel CH Pinebuck's Kidd Carson ROM OFA H&E. I think Cassie has value too. The Conditional Class was established several years BEFORE the Select Excellent Title, read your Minutes and think before you speak. The Conditional Class was established to make us all think about normal Hips and Elbows and it accomplished its purpose and I agree it is time to move on, maybe we should pick another class to establish like an Amatuer Owner Class. We do have the Select Excellent Award now and that is a good one, we should never stop awarding that. Besides, the Conditional Class Requirements are tougher this year, you must have normal hips and elbows and at least a second level perfomance title. Yep, Cassie would be eligible again but I think Julie is working on much more advanced titles now and Julie has a new puppy that is not eligible for the class.....yet. Lew ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================