It is interesting to know that some of the authors of our original GSD breed standard and those involved in the early development of the breed in this country were also live stock breeders. Marie Leary, respected breeder judge also bred and showed fine horses. These people also bred other breeds namely Boxers, Standard Poodles, and Hunting dogs. Marie Leary judged Westminster and other all breeds shows as well as Specialty Shows/ These early GSD people were not limited to one breed and there was a lot of interaction between breed people. Most had very large kennels with round the clock kennel help and management. This was a time when Dog Showing was what we might call today an elitist hobby as most of these people were from the East and had money to spare.Much time was spent in round table discussions of proper skeletal structure, ligamentation, musculature, gait, working ability etc. all the things that go into making that GREAT ONE. Luckily, while in college,I was instructed by the great Helen Crabtree whose portrait hangs in the hall of fame in Lexington Ky. She was a tough instructor and one had to do their homework or she did not waste her time. To learn the anatomy of the horse was a must. You didn't ride, saddle or anything until you knew. Helen always maintained that the basic skeleton was there regardless of the breed, American Saddle Bred, Arabian, Quarter Horse, Thoroughbred etc. What made the difference was the bones that put that skeleton together, length etc, the organs within the skeleton, the muscles, ligaments, lung room, etc. Maybe one reason the GSD Standard is so specific is because these early breeders and producers of our standard knew DOGS, from the inside out. Lang Skarda, is an example of a real dog man, whose talents were not limited to one breed. There are still some great all breed judges out there - they know dogs period. Some all breed judges should not be judging any breeds they do not have an eye. Saw the Australian Shepherd Michele talked about down in Priceville Al - Chance, I believe. A beautifully put together dog, won BIS 3 out of the 4 days. Beat Jimmy every day. Speaking of Jim he once told me the interesting story of being called by the owner of the top winning and most famous Dachshund kennel the dog world ever knew. This man's dogs were renown throughout Canada and the US. His great top winning Dachshund died and the owner knowing that this was the most perfect Dachshund the breed had ever seen, had the skeleton assembled and sent back to him. He told Jim, now you want to learn real structure come over and I will teach you how bones come together, and joints line up. Jim was 12 or 13 at the time and worked as kennel help for this breeder. One of the dog world's most respected breeders and seminar instructors, Patricia Trotter,uses the tape of a German Shepherd in motion to illustrate gait in her all breed seminars. Pat was at the cluster in Ohio,and she came over to the Shepherd Ring to watch/. There were 3 specialties in conjunction with the all breed and I believe Fred M. judged one day, myself on the second day Phil Miller one day,& then also Joan Fox . I was watching on the 3rd day as Phil judged. Pat and I sat together, her comments were interesting, challenging and thought provoking. Her eye for ligamentation, where problems might be coming from etc were those of a person understanding structure. Afterward she took me over to her set up, she brought out a 3 month old puppy, a 5 month old bitch and the BOB from their National Specialty, all were put on the table, we went over them inch by inch. Shoulders, croups, legs, depth of chest etc. lung capacity and on and on. Then she had her handler move them. An education yes, did I learn something applicable to our breed, you bet. Patricia Trotter's breed is Elkhounds Nancy Harper ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================