Unlike almost any other breed, the thing that's the most difficult for the non-GSD specialist is "getting it" with the dog on the move--and most seminars don't give them the chance to be up close and personal and on a level with the dogs moving long enough. In the average space provided at seminars for the "example" dogs to move, not only is there not enough space, but the presenter doesn't usually move the dogs enough to (a) let them settle down and/or (b) let them fall apart. Would be judges need to see both things... Some dogs hit the first, maybe the second time around an all-breed ring and look wonderful...but if you take them around a couple more times, or ask them to do a specialty size ring twice, they break down........the non- specialists need to see that. They need to see the faults that occur while gaiting (fronts lift, backs wobble, butts go up in the air, toes drag, no follow through, dead tails, etc. By the same token some dogs take a time or two around the smaller rings to settle...and then these people, if they aren't blind, can see a really nice moving dog, with the shoulder opening and the front reaching out with no lift, the back remaining steady, the butt down where it should be, the rear legs working properly, following through without great kick up, and the tail doing what a not-dead tail does, and so on and so forth. I can tell you that if the seminars are presented in this way, it really opens some people's eyes... It is not necessary to show would be judges where the withers are, or whether the dog is dishing in front... these things are the same in all breeds...and many GOOD GSD breeder judges will tell you there is no need to meaure them or give them a massage, either--let these wannabe's see a small number of dogs moving for a while.........those that are ever going to get it will get it then. Watching specials at the national is too distracting for most of them---not to mention that they are often freaked by the noise we make..........they don't know what to look at and a big bunch of specials is just too confusing. 5 to 8 dogs that keep moving, that's the ticket. Been there, done that...both as a student and as a presenter....... Peggy > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================