In Oregon at the cabin if you feed the dogs outside I can guarantee that you will bring the bears in at certain times of year. I feed in crates on the porch and then the dishes are never ever left out side. I was reading the list one morning when Kent came down from upstairs he said, Hon get the camera there is a bear eating pears right in the front yard :0) There she was laying on her back having breakfast under my pear tree happy as a clam. We shooed her away (with a 357) but she kept coming back.It will be interesting to see if she returns this fall when the pears are riping. The bad part of this is that if she had a cub this winter it will imprint on the location of the pear trees. They don't seem to go for apples just the pears. This will become a generation after generation problem. If she does return we will have to call fish and game and they will trap her. One year there was a little steer that got chased across the Metolius river and ended up at our place. He bawled and bawled for his mom but he did figure out how to survive. He was just part of the scene for the first year and then he started challenging the dogs. When he tried to head butt Izzy who was going on 13 at the time. I told Kent that he needed to go back to the Rez. We trapped him in a dog run using some hay and Cobb treats. It took two days and some engineering but we got him into the largest kennel run. He proceeded to kick the living shit out of the kennel run but it did hold. Our kennels are now cougar proof, bear proof and steer proof , tested:0) Chilly in Chandler and it is snowing in Sedona, AZ Terry ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================