Just finished speaking with Thad about he and Chuck stopping by NASP to chat with the organizers. First thing they (Thad & Chuck) noticed was the gate - it was open! Apparently Gary Frey was minding the gate and felt it was OK to do so, which is against SAC policy as desired by the rancher dude. Of course, neither Thad nor myself are happy with this turn of events and we need to explore some avenue to ensure we, SAC, will still be able to use this site for star parties. Thad will pickup the story once he gets this message - with the SAC Bored e-amail address. cleark skies;o(( aj