I often find when taking 'family snaps' with a SLR, that the 'clonk' of the mirror flip-up causes the subject to blink involuntarily during the subsequent opening of the shutter; so the photo is perfect except for the closed eyes. A TLR/rangefinder (BTL shutter) is so quiet and the blades have opened and closed before the subject can react to the barely audible 'click'. Digicams have all sorts of rangefinding flash, 'red-eye' pre-flash, trick flash, trick-trick flash and re-focus check flash before the real flash with simulated sound effects that the subject has blinked 5 times and turned away thinking that the picture was taken 3 seconds before. 'Real' Cameras Rule! ;-) Best wishes John -----Original Message----- From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Allen Zak Sent: 19 December 2006 02:01 To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: The old Xenotar That's well and good for stationary or slow moving subject matter, but truly, the world can change in those nanoseconds between mirror up and shutter function, and you won't know it until viewing the results. I have several times lost a priceless expression or "decisive moment" by an eye blink or something else at the moment of exposure, not visible through the viewfinder because of a raised mirror. Nothing would have saved those particular exposures, but with continuous viewing I would at least have known to try again. In fluid situations it is always a matter of timing when all elements fall into place at the right instant. From when the shutter release is pressed, my Nikon SLR goes blank 70 ms before the exposure. With non-autofocusing VF or TLR cameras, the lag is 20 ms or less, giving me a better average of success than SLRs in those circumstances. I can work it with SLRs by anticipating time and space, but that requires a heightened "in the Zen" awareness which, in myself, isn't always available on demand. Sure, many successful photographs have been achieved with SLRs, some made possible largely by that very feature. But in my experience, photography depending upon split second timing more often gets done better with continuous viewing systems. Allen Zak --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list