[rollei_list] Re: The old Xenotar
- From: eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:33:42 +0000
Allen, that's very well put. I've been experiencing some of that with my
Olympus compact rangefinder, my first rangefinder, and I can see how you're
argument has merit. But damn it, you're making me want a Leica!
As to the noise digicams make, Richard, I understand, of course. I just heard
one the other day that sounded just like an SLR (and it was the size of
business card). You have to admit it's a little funny that they sampled a
mechanical camera, when a perfectly digital blip would do. I think it's funny,
I guess I haven't shed my stick-in-the mud, mean modernist streak.
E.
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From: Allen Zak <azak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> That's well and good for stationary or slow moving subject matter, but
> truly, the world can change in those nanoseconds between mirror up and
> shutter function, and you won't know it until viewing the results. I
> have several times lost a priceless expression or "decisive moment" by
> an eye blink or something else at the moment of exposure, not visible
> through the viewfinder because of a raised mirror. Nothing would have
> saved those particular exposures, but with continuous viewing I would
> at least have known to try again.
>
> In fluid situations it is always a matter of timing when all elements
> fall into place at the right instant. From when the shutter release is
> pressed, my Nikon SLR goes blank 70 ms before the exposure. With
> non-autofocusing VF or TLR cameras, the lag is 20 ms or less, giving me
> a better average of success than SLRs in those circumstances. I can
> work it with SLRs by anticipating time and space, but that requires a
> heightened "in the Zen" awareness which, in myself, isn't always
> available on demand. Sure, many successful photographs have been
> achieved with SLRs, some made possible largely by that very feature.
> But in my experience, photography depending upon split second timing
> more often gets done better with continuous viewing systems.
>
> Allen Zak
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2006, at 1:36 PM, David Dodge wrote:
>
> > I have a different take on the black out. I like a non returning SLR
> > mirror. It makes clear, to me, the instant the picture was taken. It
> > is the last thing you saw. The disadvantage is that you can't look
> > through the camera without cocking the shutter. And that when the
> > mirror is up the sun can burn a hole in the curtain.
> >
> > I always thought that the digital camera companies in their endless
> > quest for bells and whistles should add a black out feature.
> > David
> >
> > Carlos Manuel Freaza wrote:
> >
> >>> From a physical-practical point of view perhaps you
> >> are right, but several times the mirror movement uses
> >> a time that exceeds the time to open and to shut the
> >> shutter and some SLRs have a system to up the mirror
> >> before to open the shutter and to bring the mirror
> >> down after the shutter is closed to diminish the
> >> unavoidable mirror vibration effect on the picture;
> >> however IMO and for my case I dislike very much the
> >> fact I can't follow my subject all the time, I often
> >> use 35mm SLR too and the fraction of second I'm blind
> >> due to the mirror movement is horrible, suddenly
> >> something is broken; in general the subject appears
> >> different when you recover the light regarding the way
> >> you saw this subject before to shoot. Using a TLR you
> >> follow the subject all the time, you don't have the
> >> bad surprise about the subject disappears suddenly,
> >> the fact you know you can follow your subject all the
> >> time gives you a security feeling about the
> >> composition and the exact moment to release the
> >> shutter, at least for my case.
> >> BTW, this issue is less relevant for landscapes,still
> >> life and studio situations, but it's relevant for
> >> subjects in movement within their natural context.-
> >>
> >> All the best
> >> Carlos --- ERoustom <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> >>
> >>
> >>>> I think
> >>>> these snapshots are easier with a TLR (or a
> >>>> rangefinder) because you can see the action in the
> >>>> focusing screen all the time, no mirror movement
> >>>> blinding the vision.-
> >>>>
> >>> Well now that's a little bit of an exageration. When
> >>> the mirror is blocking your vision it's not the time to be
> >>> noticing anything you can react to anyway. Once you click, it's
> >>> always in
> >>> anticipation of the next 1/125th of a second, regardless of what
> >>> you're shooting with. The view throughout the shot only tells what's
> >>> happening during the shot, and there's nothing you can do about it,
> >>> same as an SLR.
> >>>
> >>> There's much to be said for rangefinders and TLRs
> >>> (over SLRs), but that can't really be one of them, can it?
> >>>
> >>> E.
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