[rollei_list] Re: Hello again, and a lens question

  • From: Douglas Nygren <dnygr@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:58:27 -0500

Eric,
Thanks for your thoughts.
I agree. I like the look of classic lenses.
I would also agree with orientation towards atmosphere, composition and interest.
Doug



On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Eric Goldstein wrote:

Doug -

I don't think it matters. That's why I said I think the unncoated
Sonnar 50/1.5 is a great lens with great character... I am generally
not a technical shooters that looks for very high contrast and minute
detail... I am much more oriented toward atmosphere and composition
and interest... I like the look of classic lenses...

But the lens designers in the 20s and 30's had their work cut out for
them in trying to make a fast 50 with good contrast... the Sonnar is
based on the triplet and has numerous complex cemented surfaces to
minimize the number of air-to-glass interfaces. The f/2 version seems
to be substantially better corrected, which would make sense as it is
almost a stop slower...


Eric Goldstein

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On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Douglas Nygren <dnygr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Eric,
Given that we burn the corners in, does it really matter that the lens isn't sharp in the corners. All this corner sharpness is great hype from the lens
companies, but in the darkroom we show them who is boss and burn the
corners. I couldn't care less about  the corners. However, your point that
wide open the lens isn't sharp strikes a nerve. What's happening where
things are important seems more vital than all unneeded concern about the
corners.

Doug


On Dec 11, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Eric Goldstein wrote:

The uncoated Sonnar 50/1/5 is a great lens with great character, but
it is far from sharp wide open and away from the center.


Eric Goldstein



On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:49 PM, CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

2009/12/11 Stephen Attaway >
To quote from Ivor Matanle: "The portrait of Mr Robert Cox was taken in
1974

to mark his fifty years of service to his company ... with a 50mm f1.5 uncoated Zeiss Sonnar, and shows perfectly the curious characteristic of defined yet slightly unsharp detail that makes the optical quality of
classic lenses so attractive."

I tend to disagree with Ivor Matanle, the uncoated Zeiss Sonnar 1.5/50
was designed to be a very sharp lens, in general lens designers look
for lenses to produce an image as close to the real image as possible, it means aberrations free, sharp and the best  micro-contrast, except
lenses for special purposes. It's true some old lenses produce
pleasant images thanks to some no well corrected aberrations (I think
about portraits specially), but they couldn't be the standard to
obtain a good image.

This is a sample about a snapshot "portrait" taken with the uncoated
Contax II Sonnar 1.5/50 _wide open_ f1.5 and 1/1250 sec shutter speed , I think the in focus areas show very good detail for a 71 years old
uncoated lens despite a scanner not so good for 35mm :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/itarfoto/3199809044/

Carlos
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