Eric, Thanks for your thoughts. I agree. I like the look of classic lenses.I would also agree with orientation towards atmosphere, composition and interest.
Doug On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Eric Goldstein wrote:
Doug - I don't think it matters. That's why I said I think the unncoated Sonnar 50/1.5 is a great lens with great character... I am generally not a technical shooters that looks for very high contrast and minute detail... I am much more oriented toward atmosphere and composition and interest... I like the look of classic lenses... But the lens designers in the 20s and 30's had their work cut out for them in trying to make a fast 50 with good contrast... the Sonnar is based on the triplet and has numerous complex cemented surfaces to minimize the number of air-to-glass interfaces. The f/2 version seems to be substantially better corrected, which would make sense as it is almost a stop slower... Eric Goldstein --On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Douglas Nygren <dnygr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Eric,Given that we burn the corners in, does it really matter that the lens isn't sharp in the corners. All this corner sharpness is great hype from the lenscompanies, but in the darkroom we show them who is boss and burn thecorners. I couldn't care less about the corners. However, your point thatwide open the lens isn't sharp strikes a nerve. What's happening wherethings are important seems more vital than all unneeded concern about thecorners. Doug On Dec 11, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Eric Goldstein wrote:The uncoated Sonnar 50/1/5 is a great lens with great character, but it is far from sharp wide open and away from the center. Eric GoldsteinOn Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:49 PM, CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:2009/12/11 Stephen Attaway >To quote from Ivor Matanle: "The portrait of Mr Robert Cox was taken in1974to mark his fifty years of service to his company ... with a 50mm f1.5 uncoated Zeiss Sonnar, and shows perfectly the curious characteristic of defined yet slightly unsharp detail that makes the optical quality ofclassic lenses so attractive."I tend to disagree with Ivor Matanle, the uncoated Zeiss Sonnar 1.5/50was designed to be a very sharp lens, in general lens designers lookfor lenses to produce an image as close to the real image as possible, it means aberrations free, sharp and the best micro-contrast, exceptlenses for special purposes. It's true some old lenses producepleasant images thanks to some no well corrected aberrations (I thinkabout portraits specially), but they couldn't be the standard to obtain a good image. This is a sample about a snapshot "portrait" taken with the uncoatedContax II Sonnar 1.5/50 _wide open_ f1.5 and 1/1250 sec shutter speed , I think the in focus areas show very good detail for a 71 years olduncoated lens despite a scanner not so good for 35mm : http://www.flickr.com/photos/itarfoto/3199809044/ Carlos --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org- Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list--- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org- Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list--- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx- Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in thesubject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org- Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in thesubject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list--- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list
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