I would not categorically embrace or dismiss any lens manufacturer, including the venerable Zeiss. Nikon has had its share of success; try finding a 300/2 Nikkor that hasn't been snatched up by a cinematographer. They're not having them converted for use in their business because they are cheap and plentiful. I still use a 58/1.2 NOCT on my Alpas and under the conditions the lens was designed for I've found nothing that compares. Same with the 16/3.5 Fisheye, and more than a few other exceptional Nikkor lenses. Which does not take anything away from Zeiss or Canon, but I for one do believe Nikon has made some extremely fine lenses. Doug -----Original Message----- From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nick Roberts Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:41 PM To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: FM2 meets my needs was Not My Definition of a Thoroughbred (Re: Nikon vs. Leica) I never did get this whole thing about Nikon lenses. They're OK, but frankly they're nothing special at all in my experience. Far better to use Contax and Zeiss lenses, or even Canon. Nick