The current Tripoli K record, 29266 ft, was set using the K300. I think Kurt G. used to hold it at 22K or 23K ft or so on a K250 IIRC. What sim(s) are people using? I hear RAS Aero is a little better than RocSim for supersonic flights, especially those exceeding Mach 1.4. It's free to download from http://www.rasaero.com/ Also, make sure the Cd is realistic. Sometimes the sims default to a Cd that's a little high. You can check this by using actual flight data, and adjusting the Cd until the sim more closely matches the actual altitude. For something that you haven't flown before, you might be able to note the Cd differences for rockets you have flown, and approximate a correction factor. Also make sure that you're taking advantage of the sims ability to input launch weather conditions like temperature and launch site elevation. And don't forget, you might get lucky and get "perfect air". A number of records that exceeded the existing record by a significant amount were set at Black Rock :-) Mike --- On Thu, 8/9/12, Gregory Lyzenga <lyzenga@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Gregory Lyzenga <lyzenga@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [roc-chat] Re: XPRS To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012, 1:34 PM On Aug 9, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Michael Klett wrote: Greg, Really? What motor are you flying and what is the weight of your rocket? Is it multi-stage? I just built a 54 mm minimum diameter rocket and my modeling software says I can't get to 20K on a single stage. I'm going to fly a Cesaroni K635RL Saturday in it to see what it can do. Thanks, Mike It's the Cesaroni K300 long burn, flying in a more or less stock Giant Leap Mariah 54. A more realistic estimate might be around 19k, but the sims show that I have some small chance of tickling 20k if I'm lucky and everything goes just right. We'll see... - Greg ---------------------------------------------- Greg LyzengaROC Board Member - NAR #13295 / Tripoli #12088