In John’s diagram, according to both NAR and Tripoli, “Flight” is the RSO. I
think that both organizations are trying to make a distinction between the RSO
and the “Flight Safety Reviewer” (TRA) / “Safety Check-In Officer” (NAR). Most
folks are used to calling the rocket check-in person the RSO, but that’s now a
misnomer according to TRA. Note that in the past few years, due to having to
select which insurance to use, ROC should be adherent to the NAR guidelines if
there’s any ambiguity between the two.
Both TRA and NAR have recently updated their guidelines and training to make
the RSO role, as well as other roles, more clear. I would encourage all ROC
folks to make use of the resources below to refresh themselves on these
concepts. The ROC BoD should also undertake an effort to modify the positions
and terminology to move in this direction. LDRS35 will be strictly adhering to
the TRA guidelines with some “local enhancements” to handle the large crowd.
TRA:
http://www.tripoli.org/Portals/1/Documents/Safety%20Code/Range%20Safety%20Guidelines%20v1.2.pdf
<http://www.tripoli.org/Portals/1/Documents/Safety%20Code/Range%20Safety%20Guidelines%20v1.2.pdf>
NAR:
http://www.nar.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Trained-Safety-Officer-Program-2012.pdf
<http://www.nar.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Trained-Safety-Officer-Program-2012.pdf>
It should be noted, however, that primary responsibility for making sure that
the sky is clear is still the LCO’s primary responsibility.
Allen
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818-653-2284
On Nov 12, 2015, at 9:14 AM, John Van Norman <yrockets@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
opps—shoulda also been a line from FLIGHT to Waivers—
Johnny
On Nov 12, 2015, at 9:08 AM, John Van Norman <yrockets@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:yrockets@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I just made it into a PowerPoint slide—I’ll use it when I start doing
motivational speaking…
Johnny
On Nov 12, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Payton Kramer <payton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:payton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
"As of November 1st, I don’t give advice any more (retired)."
Just saving this quote for later
---- On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:25:33 -0800 applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote ----
As of November 1st, I don’t give advice any more (retired). But, I can say
“yup, that’s pretty much it.” Safety must be maintained at a high level
regardless of the number of rockets and the pace of operations.
Richardo
From: John Van Norman <mailto:yrockets@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:08 AM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I have, for years, advocated a system similar to a NASA launch structure.
One person, not necessarily on the flight line (though in a good position
to see all) watches over everything—you can call him “Flight”.
FLIGHT
/
\
/
\
/
\
Lead RSO —————
LCO—————FAA Waivers
/ \
/ \
/ \
/ \
/ \
/ \
/ \
/ \
Roving RSO's Everyone /
\
with eyes
/ \
and ears /
\
/ \
Pad
Manager Observer
/ \
/
\
/
PM Assist
Pad Helpers
This, of course, is a large launch scenario (adjust accordingly). Anyone
in the chain can call a “HOLD!!!”
Look at me! I just made a little drawing on my computer…at least it isn’t
PowerPoint…
Johnny
On Oct 28, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Gregory Lyzenga <lyzenga@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lyzenga@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yes, I’ve been carefully following the discussion. Prior to this
discussion beginning, I’ve already been in touch with people about the
issue, and there are already plans for LDRS to have a team of *on the
range* personnel to oversee and enforce all safety and compliance matters.
What exactly to name the position is a matter for debate, but rest assured
that the basic idea is in work.
- Greg
On Oct 28, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Allen Farrington <allen.farrington@xxxxxx
<mailto:allen.farrington@xxxxxx>> wrote:
I'm sure that the LDRS Safety Coordinator, Greg Lyzenga, will follow up on
this.
Allen
Terseness and mis-spelling courtesy of my iPhone
On Oct 28, 2015, at 5:42 PM, David Smith <davew6dps@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:davew6dps@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yeah, that sounds better.
I guess i should read all the Tripoli stuff before LDRS...
David P Smith
Tripoli 15803
NAR 78668
Amateur Extra: W6DPS
ROC Board Member
On Oct 28, 2015 5:10 PM, "Andrew Wimmer" <xenonrocket@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:xenonrocket@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:58 PM, David Smith <davew6dps@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:davew6dps@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Maybe we should rename the roving RSO. Rocket inspector might be more
descriptive.
"Flight Safety Officer" (FSO) is the correct term in Tripoli nomenclature.
-Andrew
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