Tripoli Vegas waiver is: Standard 7,500 ft MSL (~4700 AGL) with Call-Ins to
18,000 ft MSL (~15300 AGL)
Mike
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 7:38 AM, R Dierking
<applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Board Member (and a heck of a nice guy btw) Gerald Meux is checking on this.
The call in waiver ROC had to 20K’ was good. I know that it was rare to have
a rocket go that high, but it was nice to have the possibility. If we don’t
have that anymore, forget about the higher impulse minimum diameter (higher
performance) or staged rockets at Lucerne. But, maybe this is good. Really,
the site is not that big, particularly if you consider how close Hwy 247 is.
Here’s some other TRA club’s waivers: Tripoli Central California (TCC),
http://www.tccrockets.com/16,800’ AGL Tripoli San Diego, ;
http://tripolisandiego.org/default.htmlThe site didn’t specifically say what ;
the waiver is. However, the info on the President’s Challenge page suggests
that it’s 25,000’. It doesn’t say if this is MSL or AGL. Mojave Desert
Advanced Rocket Society (MDARS), http://www.mojavedesertrocketry.org/22,000’ ;
but doesn’t specify if this is MSL or AGL. Funny that Tripoli Las Vegas
usually only has a waiver to 4700’ AGL. Guess it’s air traffic from of Las
Vegas. There’s not much to burn in the area, and if it did catch on fire or a
rocket came in hot and made a crater it would only improve the area. Sorry, JK
😊 Oh, the memories. Again, FAR’s waiver is 50K. I’m not sure if this is for
every launch day. It’s very important to contact FAR in advance. If
certification launches are not allowed at launches not sanctioned by TRA there
still may be a possibility of working something out. This may take a little
time. Richard Dierking From: Allen Farrington
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 4:49 PM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [roc-chat] Re: FAR Group Trip? I'm not sure that you can L3 at FAR
since they don't operate as a NAR or TRA entity. Dierking is doing some
research on that.
If your L3 will bust the Lucerne waiver, I suggest that you plan a trip up to
XPRS in September. Kurt's there so he can be your TAP. It's a lot of fun there,
very similar to a ROC launch, but with a big waiver and less flyers. We usually
have a ROC contingent there and it would be great to have more ROC folks there!
AllenTerseness and mis-spelling courtesy of my iPhone
On Nov 28, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Alexander Jones <uscjones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Cool, thanks Mike. Experimental is something I'd like to get into eventually,
and my L3 project will go too high for our waiver, so I've really been meaning
to check it out, and this info really helps my "trying something new" anxiety.
That said, count me in for either a day trip or a camping trip. I'd likely
drive myself, although anyone in the Long Beach/West Orange County area would
be welcome to hitch a ride -- 3 spaces available.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Michael Klett <xsive.guy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have flown there. It's nice. They have rods and rails and can set up pretty
much whatever you need. They have a Quonset hut you can work in with tables.
If you have a "large" motor they like to know in advance. But the "smaller"
motors are pretty much fly at will. Let them know your largest and then fly
whatever else you can prep and recover. They don't seem too worried about the
smaller stuff. You can fly commercial motors or experimental motors. I have
flown a few experimental motors there.
I don't recall much W but that varies from day to day.
They usually set out the controllers (you can help) but then each flier does
there own button pushing. They'll have a Cal Pyro watching to make sure you
stay safe but it's pretty much up to the individual fliers. The line is for
the controller. There is generally one rail and one rod going. It's very
different than a ROC launch. Not nearly as organized but a lot simpler.
There are bunkers that you are in for launch so the impulse / distance rules
are relaxed.
Thanks,Mike
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Alexander Jones <uscjones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ya, I mean, I know they do some launches and test fires up there that are well
beyond the maximum allowed impulse per normal HPR, but I've also seen scout
troops and things like that on their calendar, which suggests to me that they
do allow LPR and MPR....the question is really, "to what extent?", and, again,
do you have to register every single one beforehand?? Seems silly to me to
require people to register if they want to fire off a bunch of 'C' motor Estes
rockets....
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Adrian P. Bailey <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
If they have a limit it’s “O” or higher. Check out the planned launch on
1/17/17… From:roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:roc-chat-bounce@freeli ;
sts.org]On Behalf Of Alexander Jones
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 3:51 PM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [roc-chat] Re: FAR Group Trip? I'd be interested in either. Been
meaning to check out a FAR launch myself, haven't gotten myself together enough
yet....
....Also, in general, since they look like primarily a research/experimental
motor/rocket test area (as opposed to a commercial-motors-only launch event
like ours are), I have tons of questions about how their launches work....
- Do you have to bring your own pad/rail/launch controllers? If not, what kinds
of pads/rails do they have available?
- Can you just register as a flyer, then show up with a bunch of rockets and
motors (provided they're commercial motors and not research), or do you have to
register beforehand for every flight you're planning to do? Information I've
found around the web seems to indicate the latter, even for commercial motors,
but I can't think that's right for LPR or MPR, if allowed.
- Do they regularly have motor vendors on site, or do you have to bring all
your own propellant?
- Is there a minimum impulse requirement (like the 'K' minimum at BALLS)?
- Are the launches and infrastructure setup/tear down organized and sequenced
by somebody there, or is everyone pretty much on their own?
- What are the camping conditions/facilities like? What about just day camping?
I've seen pictures that suggest they have indoor work spaces, so would it be
overkill to bring a canopy and tables like I normally do?
- Does it generally get windy on the ground in the early afternoon like it does
at Lucerne? Obviously the higher altitudes are about the same, but the fact
that it's kinda down in a valley suggests the wind on the ground wouldn't be as
bad.- Since it's not a NAR- or TRA-sanctioned event, do the same proximity
rules per impulse class apply? i.e. 100 ft. for H-J, 200 for K,
etc....actually, I'd like to know the answer to this in the case of a research
launch like BALLS, too, specifically, in my case, for purposes of wireless
non-critical avionics arming (cameras, flight recorders, etc.)... On Mon, Nov
28, 2016 at 3:19 PM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
A couple of people have mentioned a possible group trip to FAR. Maybe in March
or April. Camping is allowed but again everything must be approved first. Just
to get an indication of interest, who would be willing to go on the following:
Trip with camp over on Friday night? Day trip leaving early Saturday morning
with carpooling from the 15 Fwy and Hwy 395 (Park and ride lot)? Richard
Dierking
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