Oh, forgot to mention that I'm actually NAR. I'll sign up with Tripoli
eventually, but I wanted to get all my certs done first so I can transfer
them all over when I do. Does that change things at all?
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:09 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thank you Mark!
We should probably all have the waiver listed as one of the first things
on the websites and also have other club’s websites listed.
Richard Dierking
*From: *Mark Treseder <mtresed@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:04 AM
*To: *Allen Farrington <allen.farrington@xxxxxx>; roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject: *[roc-chat] Re: FAR Group Trip?
Tripoli San Diego's website is out of date. Sorry for the confusion.
TRASD's waiver is 15,000 feet. MSL and AGL are essentially the same, since
the site is 60 feet above sea level.
I notified the club officers to let them know the info needs to be updated.
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*From:* roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2016 7:37 AM
*To:* Allen Farrington; roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [roc-chat] Re: FAR Group Trip?
TRA Board Member (and a heck of a nice guy btw) Gerald Meux is checking on
this.
The call in waiver ROC had to 20K’ was good. I know that it was rare to
have a rocket go that high, but it was nice to have the possibility. If we
don’t have that anymore, forget about the higher impulse minimum diameter
(higher performance) or staged rockets at Lucerne. But, maybe this is
good. Really, the site is not that big, particularly if you consider how
close Hwy 247 is.
Here’s some other TRA club’s waivers:
Tripoli Central California (TCC), http://www.tccrockets.com/
<http://www.tccrockets.com/>
TCC (Tripoli Central California) <http://www.tccrockets.com/>
www.tccrockets.com
Welcome to Tripoli Central California : Launch Schedule . Next Launch -
Saturday November 19th 2016 See Schedule for more detailed information.
Launch Info
16,800’ AGL
Tripoli San Diego, http://tripolisandiego.org/default.html
Welcome to Tripoli-San Diego <http://tripolisandiego.org/default.html>
tripolisandiego.org
President’s Challenge Launch Site Launch Schedule Contacts Vendors Other
Info: Welcome to Tripoli-San Diego New 2016/2017 Launch Schedule Released
March 2016 Launch ...
The site didn’t specifically say what the waiver is. However, the info on
the President’s Challenge page suggests that it’s 25,000’. It doesn’t say
if this is MSL or AGL.
Mojave Desert Advanced Rocket Society (MDARS), http://www.
mojavedesertrocketry.org/
Mojave Desert Advanced Rocket Society - MDARS
<http://www.mojavedesertrocketry.org/>
www.mojavedesertrocketry.org
Facilities are primitive. Remember it is the desert. Bring water and
protein. And be prepared for hot, cold, wind, or anything inbetween.
22,000’ but doesn’t specify if this is MSL or AGL.
Funny that Tripoli Las Vegas usually only has a waiver to 4700’ AGL.
Guess it’s air traffic from of Las Vegas. There’s not much to burn in the
area, and if it did catch on fire or a rocket came in hot and made a crater
it would only improve the area. Sorry, JK 😊 Oh, the memories.
Again, FAR’s waiver is 50K. I’m not sure if this is for every launch
day. It’s very important to contact FAR in advance. If certification
launches are not allowed at launches not sanctioned by TRA there still may
be a possibility of working something out. This may take a little time.
Richard Dierking
*From: *Allen Farrington <allen.farrington@xxxxxx>
*Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2016 4:49 PM
*To: *roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject: *[roc-chat] Re: FAR Group Trip?
I'm not sure that you can L3 at FAR since they don't operate as a NAR or
TRA entity. Dierking is doing some research on that.
If your L3 will bust the Lucerne waiver, I suggest that you plan a trip up
to XPRS in September. Kurt's there so he can be your TAP. It's a lot of fun
there, very similar to a ROC launch, but with a big waiver and less flyers.
We usually have a ROC contingent there and it would be great to have more
ROC folks there!
Allen
Terseness and mis-spelling courtesy of my iPhone
On Nov 28, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Alexander Jones <uscjones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Cool, thanks Mike. Experimental is something I'd like to get into
eventually, and my L3 project will go too high for our waiver, so I've
really been meaning to check it out, and this info really helps my "trying
something new" anxiety.
That said, count me in for either a day trip or a camping trip. I'd
likely drive myself, although anyone in the Long Beach/West Orange County
area would be welcome to hitch a ride -- 3 spaces available.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Michael Klett <xsive.guy@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I have flown there. It's nice. They have rods and rails and can set up
pretty much whatever you need. They have a Quonset hut you can work in
with tables.
If you have a "large" motor they like to know in advance. But the
"smaller" motors are pretty much fly at will. Let them know your largest
and then fly whatever else you can prep and recover. They don't seem too
worried about the smaller stuff. You can fly commercial motors or
experimental motors. I have flown a few experimental motors there.
I don't recall much W but that varies from day to day.
They usually set out the controllers (you can help) but then each flier
does there own button pushing. They'll have a Cal Pyro watching to make
sure you stay safe but it's pretty much up to the individual fliers. The
line is for the controller. There is generally one rail and one rod
going. It's very different than a ROC launch. Not nearly as organized but
a lot simpler.
There are bunkers that you are in for launch so the impulse / distance
rules are relaxed.
Thanks,
Mike
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Alexander Jones <uscjones@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Ya, I mean, I know they do some launches and test fires up there that
are well beyond the maximum allowed impulse per normal HPR, but I've also
seen scout troops and things like that on their calendar, which suggests to
me that they do allow LPR and MPR....the question is really, "to what
extent?", and, again, do you have to register every single one beforehand??
Seems silly to me to require people to register if they want to fire off a
bunch of 'C' motor Estes rockets....
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Adrian P. Bailey <
adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If they have a limit it’s “O” or higher. Check out the planned launch
on 1/17/17…
*From:* roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:roc-chat-bounce@freeli
sts.org] *On Behalf Of *Alexander Jones
*Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2016 3:51 PM
*To:* roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [roc-chat] Re: FAR Group Trip?
I'd be interested in either. Been meaning to check out a FAR launch
myself, haven't gotten myself together enough yet....
....Also, in general, since they look like primarily a
research/experimental motor/rocket test area (as opposed to a
commercial-motors-only launch event like ours are), I have tons of
questions about how their launches work....
- Do you have to bring your own pad/rail/launch controllers? If not,
what kinds of pads/rails do they have available?
- Can you just register as a flyer, then show up with a bunch of
rockets and motors (provided they're commercial motors and not research),
or do you have to register beforehand for every flight you're planning to
do? Information I've found around the web seems to indicate the latter,
even for commercial motors, but I can't think that's right for LPR or MPR,
if allowed.
- Do they regularly have motor vendors on site, or do you have to bring
all your own propellant?
- Is there a minimum impulse requirement (like the 'K' minimum at
BALLS)?
- Are the launches and infrastructure setup/tear down organized and
sequenced by somebody there, or is everyone pretty much on their own?
- What are the camping conditions/facilities like? What about just day
camping? I've seen pictures that suggest they have indoor work spaces, so
would it be overkill to bring a canopy and tables like I normally do?
- Does it generally get windy on the ground in the early afternoon like
it does at Lucerne? Obviously the higher altitudes are about the same, but
the fact that it's kinda down in a valley suggests the wind on the ground
wouldn't be as bad.
- Since it's not a NAR- or TRA-sanctioned event, do the same proximity
rules per impulse class apply? i.e. 100 ft. for H-J, 200 for K,
etc....actually, I'd like to know the answer to this in the case of a
research launch like BALLS, too, specifically, in my case, for purposes of
wireless non-critical avionics arming (cameras, flight recorders, etc.)...
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:19 PM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
A couple of people have mentioned a possible group trip to FAR. Maybe
in March or April.
Camping is allowed but again everything must be approved first. Just
to get an indication of interest, who would be willing to go on the
following:
Trip with camp over on Friday night?
Day trip leaving early Saturday morning with carpooling from the 15 Fwy
and Hwy 395 (Park and ride lot)?
Richard Dierking
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Let us go rejoicing to the house of the Lord.
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