[realmusicians] Re: backing up and dual booting
- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:37:49 -0500
Hey Chris you know what I currently do is run the vista/7 installers from a
USB drive, and include the drivers for the controller in the boot folder.
Win PE will find the appropriate driver and load it. With a few hacks we
should be able to do the same for generic sound card drivers and possibly
span off the speech during install idea... But if you want to get past the
sata drives and having to load drivers etc, the inclusion of the inf files
in the boot folder is a good way to go. You can run the installer from an
hd/USB stick (wayy faster than optical), or just burn a copy of the disk
with the drivers included. I obviously like the hd/USB Stick method because
I don't have to burn a new disk for each new motherboard/system that I
build...
HTH, D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:58 PM
To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: backing up and dual booting
Boy, that'll be great.
I know we can do unattended installs with xml files, but I'd be interested
in how you get past things like text mode drivers and such and sata
controlers and how you get speech at those low levels.
I guess fat32 is no longer a choice at all with vista or w7.
I guess that efi implementation is atleast somewhat being dealt with in some
manner now, I do have an old oem 32 bit copy of vista here and there's an
efi folder on it.
If this is the case, then lots more things will be possible if we're finally
getting away from the bios.
At 09:02 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote:
>Hey Christ, it is possible, I am working on a project to do just that,
>integrate speech into windows7 installer... I'm keeping it on the DL since
I
>haven't gotten definite results yet, but once I get sometime to really hack
>away at it it should work... Will keep you posted.
>
>D!J!X!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
>Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:07 AM
>To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [realmusicians] Re: backing up and dual booting
>
>Actually, there is ntfs pro which will allow you to see ntfs partitions in
>dos, it takes a litle more precious conventional memory, but it helps.
>
>I don't think it'll be possible with micro-crap to do a talking windows
>install because we don't implement efi yet, and what with real mode text
>mode drivers, and sata drivers, well we do have ide immulation, but what
>with all the old and new bits clunky legacy dos and windows technology that
>has to be considered, it may not be possible without completely installing
>the os from scratch.
>
>Now that's possible with a cd and floppy, or just a cd with a .sif file,
but
>you don't get as much control as you do with a hard-drive unattended
>installation where you can use dos ahead of time to format and partition
and
>such.
>
>YOu can always do stuff with an existing windows install to clone to
another
>hard-drive and such but inevitably, we always have to re-boot and go in to
>text mode or console mode, and that's the problem.
>
>Linux and mac users can have talking installs because things are done
>differently, I have heard that there is a way with some of the system
>accewss to go products to do a talking w7 or vista install, I'll have to
>check that out, I haven't gotten away from xp yet, and what with all our
old
>favorite plug-ins probably crapping out and not being updated so soon, I'm
>not in a hurry to dump for the dubious benefits of 64 bit but as time goes
>on, that will get better.
>
>But now is the time to learn about it because it'll be our future.
>
>It'll be nice to load those huge sample libraries up in to memory and say
>good bye to all the hassle with disk streaming.
>
>So my next work station will be a 64 bit w7 but I'll certainly have xp dual
>booting on it for all the good old stand bys we love and that work fine
with
>today's technology.
>
>
>At 06:17 AM 2/3/2010, you wrote:
> >Hay Chris, nice message. I will keep it for reference here.
> >I have been using image for windows myself for quite some time now and
> >I am very pleased with it.
> >I have been playing with some windows xp live cds lately, and I am
> >trying to integrate NVDA so that I will be able to boot from a talking
> >windows cd rather than dos.
> >All my partitions around here are ntfs so booting from a pure dos
> >environment is no option for me.
> >Nice job.
> >
> >Nektarios.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
> >Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:58 PM
> >To: realmusicians-freelists.org
> >Subject: [realmusicians] backing up and dual booting
> >
> >Just wanted to start a little discussion about back-up software and
> >imaging and such.
> >
> >I've been playing with operating system configs and such and have
> >managed to create a dual boot system with the use of selected software
> >packages without any sighted help.
> >
> >I am using two copies of xp at the moment and here's what I did.
> >
> >One piece of software that I am now embracing is casper, I formerly
> >didn't care for it because it was window's only based, but since casper
> >can now boot from usb devices, you can run windows from a thumb drive
> >if you wish, then this makes it more valuable and also although I think
> >traditional methods of restoring without windows being in the way are
> >more secure and safer, ie, less likelihood of viruses and such being
> >transferred, it's still nice to be able to restore partitions and such in
>windows only when desired.
> >
> >Casper and the terrabyte unlimited products both ddos and windows
> >versions, and an old copy of partition magic were my main tools of
choice.
> >
> >I did use ghost, and drive snapshot too, but the main disadvantage of
> >ghost is that the dos side of things doesn't talk at all and your
> >limited to batch files and knowing ahead of time where your drives are
> >as you need the controller numbers and partition numbers to accomplish
>this.
> >
> >But with image for dos from terrabyte you can restore interactively and
> >with casper operating in only windows, if you have a second partition
> >somewhere that's got a copy of your OS on it, you can restore to the
> >version of the OS your not using currently.
> >It's helpful to keep a copy of your boot.ini file in another location
> >that has references to all your operating systems handy so you can
> >restore that configuration on the fly after restoring a partition.
> >
> >My only problem is that I can't seem to get a copy of windows which was
> >installed on the first or only partition of a drive to boot from the
> >second or third partition of a drive and I think this is an nt thing,
> >2k was even more picky about this sort of thing, but what I did was to
> >partition my third drive in to several partitions it's a 300 gig
> >drive, and each partition is now less that 120 gigs.
> >
> >When in dos it seems with sata drives you have to keep some factors in
> >mind, files larger that 2gb or partitions that are too large or have
> >too many files on them won't get read properly and you can't restore.
> >
> >I was having this problem with image for dos until I made smaller
> >partitions and now things work well.
> >
> >Image for windows will also resize partitions on the fly, some of these
> >backup softwares expect to have the same size drive or partition to
> >restore to and will puke if they don't see that.
> >
> >That's the way drive snapshot is, at least with fat32 partitions.
> >
> >I like to use fat32 for all the obvious reasons, at least on system
> >drives, I keep some ntfs partitions for large ISO files and other
> >things, but if you ever have a drive problem fat32 is much easier to deal
>with.
> >
> >So because drive snapshot has problems with resizing images, I'm
> >converting all my images to ghost or terra byte images.
> >
> >So far if I had to tchose the two products I'd use exclusively, it's be
> >the terrabyte atuff for flexibility and accessibility and casper for
> >the window's only aspect and ease of use for the non-technical person
> >or command line challenged individual.
> >
> >But casper's partitioning and drive c onfiguration facilities aren't as
> >advanced as even the old partition magic so you really need a couple of
> >different tools.
> >
> >So I have my operating systems on a loan partition on my c drive which
> >is drive 0 in the bios, and the first partition of drive 1 which is the
> >way it shows up in dos or the bios.
> >
> >Of course windows changes things around so it's important to check
> >depending on whether your in dos or windows to make sure what's refering
to
>what.
> >
> >A couple of good ways to help are making sure you always give your
> >drives meaningful volume labels and observing the size of the partitions
or
>drives.
> >What I did was to put an early unclutered installation of my studio
> >machine on the first partition of the second drive and leave the hither
> >to system drive alone, I didn't re-partition it because remember, some
> >of this drive software expects to see the same size partition that was
> >backed up when it restores, so until I get these images re-sized, I'm
>playing it safe.
> >
> >So we have gwo default places to back up or restore images to and from
> >and we can do so in windows or in dos.
> >
> >I'm going to make a small partition on my third drive and make it the
> >first partition and see if I can get a third os to boot.
> >
> >Right now according to the best information I have, there are issues
> >with the boot configurations with vista and windows
> >7 which make it hard to back up properly since microslop changes the
> >way in which things boot and one has to adjust the boot record to make
> >these new operating systems boot properly when one deploys an images or
> >such, and I'm not properly using w7 yet, but we'll be nailing these
> >issues down soon I hope.
> >
> >Anyway, that's some of what we've been doing after christmas here at
> >the studio.
> >
> >So if you don't want to have to install from scratch a complete
> >operating system, you can use a copy of the one you already have
> >installed if you put it on the same place on another drive in regards to
>partition position.
> >
> >There's probably a way to fix or change this in a boot record.
> >I bet DJX knows some real nuggets about this sort of thing 'grin'.
> >
> >But anyone feel free to chime in with experiences because we all need
> >to keep our machines fresh and well oiled to make all that great music
> >and also to do daily things, and I'm a bad boy, I swore I wouldn't do
> >anything else with this machine but studio things, but it's just too
> >atractive to use your fastest machine in the house to do everything, so
> >one needs to learn to manage those dangerous habbits 'grin'.
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