----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon Stoney" <sstoney@xxxxxxx> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: looking for a 240-300mm enlarging lens > > > What is a process lens, as opposed to an enlarging lens? > > On ebay there was one 240mm enlarging lens for $200. > > --shannon > The are close. Process lenses were designed for making photomechanical plates either line or half tone. Their most important quality was freedom from geometrical distortion and good sharpness. They were originally used with rather high contrast materials so flare was not a problem. Most process work was done at magnifications of from about 5 times reduction to about 5 times magnification so most process lenses are optmized for unity magnification. This is where the object and film are at the same distance from the lens. I should say here that one of the fundamental properties of lenses of all types is that they can be corrected so that certain aberrations are simuntaneously minimum at one one distance. At other distances there is some loss of quality. This distance is chosen based on the expected application of the lens. For general purpose camera lenses is it infinity, for enlarging lenses it is whatever distance corresponds to the most often used magnification. For a lens intended for 35mm work this is probably around 10 to 15 times. For 8x10 it is more nearly 2 to 4 times. So, for 8x10 a process lens will be pretty near its optimum distance or magnification ratio. Most process lenses fall into two catagories: older standard process lenses and more recent wide angle process lenses. The wide angle types were intended for use on cameras that made large photo-offset plates. These were usualy found in smaller printing plants where the camera had to be as compact as possible. Most of these lenses are of the Plasmat type, very similar to common high quality enlarging lenses and a great many LF camera lenses. (Symmar, Componon, Sironar, etc.). The older type are most often four-element air-spaced types sometimes called Dialytes or Celor (after the first lens of this type). The properties of these is that they are usually pretty slow, typically f/8 to f/12 depending on focal length; they have relatively narrow coverage, typically 45 to 50 degrees at infinity focus; the size of the image circle does not increase significantly when stopping down; and they tend to maintain their corrections very well for change in distance. For this reason these old process lenses work very well as general purpose lenses. Some standard process lenses are apochromatically corrected. This means that three colors of light are brought to a common focus rather than two as in most lenses. The reason for this difficult correction is that these lenses were intended for making color separation plates for printing. Their symmetry also gives them very good correction for lateral color, i.e., the size of the image remains constant with color. The later, wide angle, type lenses have nearly double the coverage of the older type and are faster. They are more like enlarging lenses. They are seldom apochromatically corrected although they usually possess very good color correction. Most, if not all, of the wide angle types are coated. Coating was not used on the older process lenses until rather late. For instance, the Goerz Red Dot Artar is coated but few of the older Artars are. The reason is simple: flare could be compensated for by a slight adjustment in the exposure of the very high contrast plates or films these lenses were used with. Goerz began making the Red-Dot version of the Apochromatic Artar in the late 1950s or early 1960s (the date is uncertain) for a larger range of application than the earlier version. These lenses were widely used for large format color enlarging and for making original color illustrations, especially table top work. Goerz began coating them to improve the contrast and also offering them in a choice of optimum magnifications so that they could be chosen for their original purpose of making half-tone plates or for use on a camera or enlarger. These lenses are very slow but of outstanding quality. Because the entire process they were originally used for has been supplanted by electronic imaging they became plentiful on the used market at very attractive prices. The supply is not quite as plentiful as it was about two years ago but such lenses are still available at very good prices and are hard to beat for performance. Even the very old ones are excellent where a little flare can be tollerated. The coverage of a lens increases as the magnification approaches 1:1. At unity magnification its coverage is double the diameter it is at infinity. So, if a lens is to be used on, say, an 8x10 enlarger for relatively small prints a shorter lens will provide adequate coverage. For instance, a 10 inch Artar will cover an 8x10 at 2X magnification and maybe more, although it would not cover 8x10 if used in a camera at infinity focus. I have a couple of Artars of varying age. They are all exceptionally sharp lenses. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.