[pure-silver] Re: holes in emulsion and temperature

  • From: Shannon Stoney <shannonstoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:33:28 -0600

I was using ddx so I don't think it was undissolved chemistry.

One of the rolls that had the most pinholes was Bergger film. I think it's made in Germany. Is it from the former East Germany?

--shannon


On Dec 5, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:


----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas O. Lindan" <nolindan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: holes in emulsion and temperature


"Shannon Stoney" <shannonstoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
holes in the emulsion of my recent negatives (120 roll film)

The usual suspects are:

o An active developer - HC110b, say - followed by a too strong (made per Kodak's directions) stop-bath. Most people use a dilute stop bath or a plain water rinse.
o Film made in Eastern/Comcon/Evil Empire Europe/Russia/China.
These are/were given to pinholing. If you are using recent Arista film it is from former Eastern Europe.

I had a brick (er bag) of old (~10 yr.) Arista branded Ilford FP4 that pinholed. The film was used in a Holga or Diana so the defects just added to the general je ne sais quoi; and it was well past any 'return before' date.

I have had the odd pinhole with just about any film and process,
but always with 120 (IIRC).

re. Stopbath:

You have to keep active developer from showing up in the fix as
it can stain and shorten fixer life. A water rinse will wash away most of the developer still in a film emulsion.

With fibre base paper you need either a stop bath or a _really_ good rinse.

==
Nicholas O. Lindan
Cleveland Engineering Design, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio 44121

In the past pin-holes were blames on the generation of carbon dioxide gas in the stop bath. This takes place when the developer contains an alkali that causes effervescence. About the only common alkali that does that is sodium or potassium carbonate. HC-110 contains Diethanolamine-sulfur dioxide complex which AFAIK does not cause gas to be formed. Kodak's formula for stop bath is the same as given by most other manufacturers, i.e. about 2%, usually stated as one to one and a half ounces of 28% acetic acid per quart, or about 50ml per liter of water. This should not cause problems. Pin holes in modern film is generally a result of coating problems in manufacture. Ilford had a problem with this some ten years ago and even Kodak has had occasional problems. I have no idea what level of technology or quality control applies to the former east block manufacturers but I am suspicious that its far behind the state that Kodak, Ilford, and Agfa got us used to. Pin holes can also sometimes be the result of particles of grit deposited on the film during processing as some point where the emulsion is fairly soft but again I think this was mostly a problem in the past. Nonetheless, its worth filtering all solutions before use to see if that helps.
    Using a hardening fixing bath may help.
Real pinholes are actual disruptions in the emulsion. They are visible on the surface using rather high magnification. they can be mimicked by small clear spots caused by dust on the negative when exposed or by small dark spots usually the result of undissolved chemistry in the developer. Not a chance of this with HC-110.

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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


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