[pure-silver] Re: finding a new paper
- From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:21:15 -0800
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From: "Shannon Stoney" <sstoney@xxxxxxx>
To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] finding a new paper
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I am trying
to find a paper that substitutes for Agfa multigrade FB.
Today I tried Forte polygrade FB, but so far I don't
really like it. Maybe I need to try different dialings on
the color head, but the images look sort of flat to me,
with poor separation in the highlights. If I try for more
contrast, they get too dark in the shadows. Also it has
an unpleasant greenish cast to me. I am still using my
old Agfa neutol WA paper developer. Could that be the
problem?
I guess my next attempt will be with Ilford. Ilford
paper, Ilford developer.
Is there any consensus about what paper is closest to Agfa
in scale? I like the Agfa developer and some people say
that somebody bought the right to keep making it, but I am
willing to switch.
--shannon
Changing developer may help although I suspect the paper
is contributing. Ilford's paper developers are Phenidone
based and tend to be pretty neutral in tone. If you are
willing to mix your own there are all sorts of options. I
think Ryuji Suzuki has a couple of paper formulas on his web
site, they would certainly be worth trying.
Agfa Neutol WA is intended to get warm tones on papers. I
have no idea what is in it but many warm tone developers
tend toward a sort of olive overtone.
I used Ilford paper for years and may go back to it. I
stopped using Multigrade IV Deluxe because it was adjusted
to compensate for overdeveloped T-Max and Delta films and I
could not get the mid-tone and highlight contrast to be
right at the same time. I've always liked Agfa papers but
they are no more. I am still experimenting with the
off-brand stuff from Freestyle. Kodak had the handle on
making paper which was very consistent in its properties,
dried flat, etc. Ilford is probably the next best. Agfa
always had a personality all its own, even when it was made
in the US and sold under the Ansco name. Even the odor was
the same. It could look beautiful but I always had problems
with edge frilling and uneven surfaces with both Agfa and
Ansco fiber paper.
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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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