Elias, I am a bit surprised that my methodology has not been offered yet... Do you not have a wet darkroom? I use (much) larger tray, on a riser so that it is a couple of inches higher that has temperature controlled water running through it with an outflow tube that dumps into my wash tray. Not only does my temp stay where I want it so does my first rinse/holding bath. I use this method for both printing and my 8x10 sheet film processing. It takes very little water flow and very little practice to set the incoming temp at the place where it keeps your developer at the proper temp and still provides a good rinse/hold temp. (This is much more critical for film than for paper.) Of course if your not using a wet darkroom my condolences, I've been spoiled, the method can still be employed using a closed loop system with a small aquarium pump circulating water with a "coffee or tea warmer". Even had one set up with a large bucket as his holding tank and then used an old electric skillet, thermostatically controlled by virtue of it's design nearly submerged in the bucket. Adjust the dial on the skillet to keep your water temp where you need it to keep you dev. warm and cozy! Some heat will be lost to the room which I doubt you will mind and truth of the matter is water is a better conductor than air so it will in principal be a more efficient and manageable system albeit more convoluted to set up. Another plus is if your climate pushes in the other direction as it did while working in deep east Texas for far too long you can COOL your chemistry as well! Steven In wet but wonderful Tillamook, Oregon Steven Kershaw, CPF Owner, "Steven did it" Photo & Frame Works P.O. Box 3, Tillamook OR 97141 ph: 503.801.4875 fax: email: stevendidit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.