DEAR ALAN, Remember the old adage for film, "Expose for the shadows and develop for the highlights"? Well, when printing with VC I expose for the highlights and change the contrast to put the shadows where I want them. Yes, one needs to re test every time you change filtration to hit your highlights again but this is a quick, paper efficient, way to hit a good rough print which uses as much of the density range of the negative as you want. Then you can change exposure and contrast, dodge and burn for creative or emotional effect. You could do it the reverse (expose for shadow, etc.) but I feel it is harder. IMO working out from a mid tone exposure to highlights and shadows is the most difficult and least efficient, paper wise. But, hey, whatever works for you! CHEERS! BOB _____ From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of EJ Neilsen Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:03 AM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Multigrade without filter? Alan, Yes to the 2+ grade filter and FASTER than non filter. The exact grade would depend on many variables of your enlarger. I use a 2X for general rule of thumb. These are the types of problem sets I don't see a need to work too hard on. With the highs and lows moving in the gray landscape, one still needs to make adjustments on a more intuitive basis later so I don't see the need for precision there. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype ejprinter _____ From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ATIPPETT@xxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:49 PM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Multigrade without filter? I though that I had read using no filters with Ilford Multigrade IV papers was equivalent to using the #3 filter. Should this be the case what would be the difference in the f stop? Should this not be the case what would the resulting print compare to 2-4? Alan Tippett _____ See what's new at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> and Make AOL Your <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169> Homepage. __________ NOD32 2632 (20071101) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com