A problem came up in which we would like to dephosphorylate all proteins in a mixture of the typical complexity of extracts. I would like to do enzymatic treatment, probably with a broadly specific phosphatase that at least dephosphorylates the serines and threonines, as I doubt there is any tyrosine phosphorylation to worry about (these are proteins actually secreted into a body fluid). Some alkaline phosphatases (ALPs) will dephosphorylate phosphopeptides less than 4000-5000 Da, and perhaps larger polypeptides too. For example, on-MALDI target dephosphorylation of peptides reported by Torres et al (J Proteome Res 4: 1628, 2005) although we want to do it simply in the standard conical tube. Peleg et al (Prenat Diag 19: 224, 1999) reported that ALP extracted from neutrophils taken from whole blood of pregnant females has significant heat stability and resistance to urea (up to 3.7 M for the better part of an hour), and they tried to use this feature as a screening test for mothers possibly carrying Downs fetuses. I believe that an ALP or similar phosphatase that retains activity in the presence of denaturants would be the ideal enzyme to dephosphorylate intact (and unfolded) proteins. The protein phosphatases (PP1, 2a, 2b, etc) for both serine/threonine and tyrosine residues are not sold in quantities for preparative work (enough to treat thorough between 100-500 ug total protein), and would probably be prohibitively expensive. I have found nothing in the literature in which someone reported using these particular protein phosphatases for work on that scale. Sigma-Aldrich and others (NEB) sell a number of products but I don't see any description of them as working on intact proteins. To maximize the possibility that the enzyme will dephosphorylate intact proteins of large size (MW), I am strongly thinking that the proteins will have to be denatured...possibly by heat denaturation that may like cause precipitants to come out which I would like to avoid, or by inclusion of urea, and thus my interest in a phosphatase that resists the effects of urea if I go that route. The alternative to enzymatic dephosphorylation would be chemical: use a strong base (hydroxide) to cause beta-elimination to form dehydroalanine forms of Ser and Thr residues, and then stabilize the product by following with something like 2-mercaptoethanol to form a hydroxylated thioether (I have yet to get around to finding a published method for this). Ideas? Information? SMH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com