Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
- From: "E.J. Zufelt" <lists@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:39:25 -0400
I have only spoken to their web staff once, and very briefly. I didn't ask why
they chose Drupal, but they have contributed at least four modules back to the
community.
I would guess that they chose Drupal for the same reason that many others do,
it is a robust and highly extensible CMS with a great deal of community
support, and of course it comes with no software license fee.
Obviously people choose free software because of its cost. However, that
doesn't mean they are cheap. It may very well mean that they have a budget,
want to get the most for their money, and would rather spend on developer /
designer time rather than software.
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On 2011-08-19, at 10:34 AM, black ares wrote:
> and what you think was the reasons behind the php /drupal choice for white
> hous site?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: E.J. Zufelt
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
>
> FYI: Whitehouse.gov runs on PHP technology (Drupal).
>
> Now, I know the US gov has a debt / deficit crisis, but still.
>
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> On 2011-08-19, at 10:17 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>
>> >If you choose to do php development it means that your customer has not
>> >enough money to afford a payed technology, so for sure he/she will not pay
>> >you
>> Jesus, what's with all these people ditching logic class.
>>
>> On 8/19/2011 12:23 AM, Christopher Coale wrote:
>>>
>>> Really. You didn't? Did you look? Probably not. Let me help you:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=visual%2Bstudio%2Bphp
>>>
>>> It seems like there is quite a bit of buzz about it. Now you are claiming
>>> that the only reason someone would choose to use PHP is because they are
>>> poor? That's certainly a new one and totally off-topic, but whatever.
>>> Someone would choose to use a $1k tool because it contains the set of
>>> features that meet their development needs. Simple as that.
>>>
>>> On 8/18/2011 11:10 PM, black ares wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>> I didn't see some one using visual studio for php development.
>>>> And what you are saying is your point of view, not a professional point of
>>>> view.
>>>> Technically speaking, on the extreme side, you are right, you can use what
>>>> ever ide you want for doing development in what language you want.
>>>> But explain me why some one will choose to use a 1000 $ tool (like visual
>>>> studio is) to do php development which is a free language.
>>>> If you choose to do php development it means that your customer has not
>>>> enough money to afford a payed technology, so for sure he/she will not pay
>>>> you higher price you have because of the visual studio you use.
>>>>
>>>> How ever, keeping the discussion in the technical view, I reiterate the
>>>> fact that I didn't see any one doing php development on visual studio.
>>>> Can you show an example please?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Coale"
>>>> <ccoale427@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Excuse me? Visual Studio is used extensively for web development by many,
>>>>> many professionals. Yes, yes you can "hookup with a specific IDE." HTML,
>>>>> PHP, ASP.net, etc. will all remain the same code no matter which IDE (or
>>>>> non-IDE) a developer uses.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are totally wrong saying that just because someone uses Visual Studio
>>>>> as their IDE, they are bound to use Windows hosting. First of all, the
>>>>> person's choice of IDE does not determine which web host they use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering you are a professional in a field, you should know that HTML,
>>>>> PHP, JavaScript, CSS, ASP.net, etc. is the same language and/or set of
>>>>> technologies regardless of the IDE you use.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/18/2011 10:20 PM, black ares wrote:
>>>>>> The question is bad from the begining.
>>>>>> You can not ask about a website development tool, giving example vs
>>>>>> 2008/2010.
>>>>>> The man enroles in a website evelopment diploma so he aims to become a
>>>>>> professional.
>>>>>> So, as a professional, you can not hook up with a specific ide, because
>>>>>> you must develop according to the project you have.
>>>>>> For this reason sometimes you will find yourself working with php with
>>>>>> mysql, other times with asp.net o n vs 2008/2010 or whatever vs is out
>>>>>> on that time.
>>>>>> So you must manage every of them.
>>>>>> Because, if you learn only on VS, you will be forced to use windows
>>>>>> hosting for example, to buy and pay for the development tools and for
>>>>>> the database tools.
>>>>>> Don't tell me that there are express editions, that ones are toys for
>>>>>> children.
>>>>>> As a professional I must know how to manage eclipse for java/php
>>>>>> development, how to manage vs for dotnet/aspnet development, how to use
>>>>>> notepad or other editor to do xhtml/html layouts and so on.
>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:50 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what I have read and seen the VS 2008 or VWD 2008 platform and the
>>>>>>> Sql Server or Sql Server Express (R2) versions because they are newer,
>>>>>>> are the most accessible development platform if you want a development
>>>>>>> IDE.
>>>>>>> Otherwise some folks develop in a editor like notepad.
>>>>>>> There are a bunch of stand-alone editors for building Websites but I've
>>>>>>> not used them so can't speak to accessibility.
>>>>>>> I would worry that they would try and do things like the VS Designers
>>>>>>> but that they would not have the necessary hooks or scripts to make
>>>>>>> them work at all.
>>>>>>> Also, if they try and do Intellisense they might have that inaccessible
>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>> Newer versions might use WPF or what ever the newer accessibility hooks
>>>>>>> for Linux and may not be accessible.
>>>>>>> It is my understanding that the Dreamweaver and other software put out
>>>>>>> by that compn=any was suppose to be getting more accessible but I've
>>>>>>> not used it and don't know anyone who has used it with a screen reader.
>>>>>>> I guess what I am saying is that I have tried a couple of other things
>>>>>>> over the past 10 years or so and not found one that has all the bells
>>>>>>> and whistles and is accessible as the VS environment. The 2010 version
>>>>>>> of anything put out by Microsoft is not going to be nearly as
>>>>>>> accessible as the 2008 versions since the 2010 versions use WPF and
>>>>>>> none of the current screen readers support it very well. Also, the JAWS
>>>>>>> scripts for VS will not work properly with 2010 versions.
>>>>>>> It is likely your instructor will have you using whatever the class
>>>>>>> uses but if not you can either stay with what you know or try something
>>>>>>> new - it's up to you in that case.
>>>>>>> You could try developing using another IDE and, or, get into stuff like
>>>>>>> PHP and MySql using some kind of Website development environment but I
>>>>>>> have never looked at any of them.
>>>>>>> Others might have some suggestions on either hand-coding everything
>>>>>>> using text editors or using another platform like Dreamweaver or some
>>>>>>> Linux based system.
>>>>>>> Later Marv and good luck:
>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Hunkin"
>>>>>>> <startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:52 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>>>> well enrolling in a diploma in website development.
>>>>>>>> and developing a website.
>>>>>>>> now what web site development tools, and which programming tools which
>>>>>>>> works best with Jaws?
>>>>>>>> visual basic, visual web developer, c#, dream weaver, vs 2008, or
>>>>>>>> 2010.
>>>>>>>> which works best with jaws?
>>>>>>>> marvin.
>>>>>>>> ps: will take your more expertise in this area.
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