I already have cygwin on this computer so I will need to go download it to another to remember how I did it. Everyone tells me that the cygwin installer is hard to use but I think its more like its hard to understand because its not a normal dialog. Once you figure it out though it works fine. I will say though for me to get it to work I installed everything in the cygwin packages. I of course wanted it for more then SSH but after I installed Cygwin I just added the cygwin bin to my system path and it then worked fine at the dos prompt. I will put Cygwin on my laptop this weekend so if you don't have instructions by then I should be able to help. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:04 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: ssh client When someone recently inquired about a screen reader friendly version of SSH for Windows, some responses essentially said that it was a simple matter of using the client that is part of Cygwin. So far, the process of installing and using this has not been straightforward for me. Thus I am still hoping for specific instructions, which presumably would benefit others on the list as well. Jamal On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, John covici wrote: > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:45:00 -0400 > From: John covici <covici@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: ssh client > > Yep, its openssh and I think there is a client and a server package, > although I don't remember anymore. You have to use the setup program > to find it and WE has a lot of problems with that program. > > on Wednesday 04/23/2008 Jamal Mazrui(empower@xxxxxxxxx) wrote > Hi > Martin, > I found no such references in the default installation. I > even tried > the following from my C:\Cygwin root directory: > > > > dir /b /s *ssh* > > > > No files were found. If an additional package is required for SSH > > access, could someone please explain how one gets it specifically, > and > then what one does to log onto a site with it afterward? > > > > Jamal > > On Wed, 23 Apr > > 2008, Martin Slack wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:19:01 +0100 > > From: Martin Slack > <m.g.slack@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: Re: ssh client > > > > > Hi Jamal, > > > > > You may find it called openssh, in the Net category. > > > > > > hth > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: > <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 > 2:58 PM > > Subject: RE: ssh client > > > > > > > Would someone > explain how to use the SSH client of Cygwin? I installed > > > it (a > large and long install), searched the documentation and bin > > > > subdirectory, and could not find an SSH client. The FAQ mentioned a > SCT > > > utility in the context of SSH, but I could not find that in > my > > > installation either. I thought it was supposed to be part > of a default > > > Cygwin installation. If not, what additional > package is needed, and > > > what precisely, is the name of the client? > > > > > > > > Jamal > > > > > > > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Ken Perry > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:20:39 -0700 > > >> From: Ken Perry > <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> Reply-To: > programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> To: > programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> Subject: RE: ssh client > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> The only one I like on this list is the cygwin > one I have tried them all > > >> and > > >> they all try to make > some kind of GUI even at openssh.org it is a gui and > > >> you have > to do something to your screen reader or scripts to make them > > >> > all > > >> work right. That or putty which you still have to tinker > with. On that > > >> page they mention cygwin and the reason they do > that is because its still > > >> the easiest to use. Most of the > sited system admins I know still use > > >> just a > > >> basic > command line tool because its easiest. > > > >> > > > >> Ken > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Jamal Mazrui > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:16 AM > > >> To: > programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> Subject: RE: ssh client > > >> > > > >> Hi Sina, > > >> This page lists various Windows alternatives: > > > >> > > > >> OpenSSH Alternatives for Windows > > >> > http://www.openssh.org/windows.html > > > >> > > > >> Which do you recommend? > > > >> > > > >> Jamal > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Sina > > > >> Bahram wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:25:02 -0400 > > >> > From: Sina > Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> > > >> > Reply-To: > programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > To: > programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > Subject: RE: ssh client > > > >> > > > >> > What I do is do that exact same thing with mingw. > > > >> > > > > >> > Regardless, look up OpenSSH and windows on google and you'll > get to > > >> > the download page. > > > >> > > > > >> > Take care, > > > >> > Sina > > > >> > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Ken Perry > > >> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:02 PM > > >> > To: > programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > Subject: RE: ssh client > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I am sorry I don't have a link for > ssh with out Cygwin. I had found it > > >> > at one time but after > doing a quick search I am not going to go > > >> > through the effort > of going to every page. I will point out though > > >> > that if you > plan on doing any command line work with compilers I do > > >> > not > know how anyone lives with out all the tools that cygwin gives you > > > >> > at > > >> the windows command prompt. > > > >> > So anyone looking for ssh would not be bad done by to get > cygwin and > > >> > stick the bin directory in your path then you get everything. > > > >> > > > > >> > Ken > > > >> > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Brent Neal > > >> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:33 PM > > >> > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > Subject: RE: ssh client > > > >> > > > >> > Are these free? > > > >> > Do you know the website where you can get them? > > > >> > I appreciate the help. > > > >> > Thank You > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 04/21/08 12:19 PM > >>> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I don't know why people are not > using just the ssh.exe and sftp.exe > > >> > you can get out on the > web as a command line? I use it all the time > > >> > even if I got > mine with cygwin you can get it stand alone. > > > >> > > > > >> > Ken > > > >> > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Brent Neal > > >> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:25 AM > > >> > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > Subject: Re: ssh client > > > >> > > > >> > I was just asked here at work today if putty was > accessible and If I > > >> > could use it. If you can get it to work > with JAWS 9 will some one > > >> > please send me some very basic > step by step instructions on how to do > > >> > it? > > > >> > Also how much does secure crt cost and does it work a lot > better with > > >> JAWS? > > > >> > > > > >> > >>> "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 04/20/08 1:33 > PM >>> > > >> > ok, there was a bit more to it than I remember, but > that sounds like > > >> > them, smile thanks for passing that back to > me/us > > >> > > > >> > regards, > > >> > inthane > > >> > ----- > Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Martin Slack" > <m.g.slack@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> > To: > <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> > Sent: Sunday, April 20, > 2008 11:35 AM > > >> > Subject: Re: ssh client > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > Below is an old message from Jim Homme. Caveat scriptor. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ---quote--- > > > >> > > Hi, > > > >> > > This assumes you are a JAWS user. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Open the default scripts from the script manager by using > > > >> CONTROL+SHIFT+D. > > > >> > > Press ALT+CONTROL+I, then start typing SayNonHighlightedText. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > The file will scroll to that function call. > > > >> > > Hit F3 and you will see a function header for the function. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Look for code that has comments above it about console windows. > > > >> > > It looks like this if you use JAWS 7. I forget about the > other > > >> > > versions. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ; Modified 09/23/04 to allow console apps and command > shells to > > >> > > speak automatically under NT/XP/W2K... > > > >> > > If GetScreenEcho () > ECHO_NONE ; Screen echo is on, > > > >> > > && GetWindowsOS() == OS_WIN_NT Then ; operating system > isn't > > >> > > 95/98/ME. > > > >> > > If (TheClass == cwcTTY > > > >> > > || TheClass == cwcTTYGrab > > > >> > > || TheClass == cwcTelnetW > > > >> > > || TheClass == cwcConsole) then > > > >> > > Say (buffer, OT_NONHIGHLIGHTED_SCREEN_TEXT); > > > >> > > Return > > > >> > > endIf > > > >> > > endIf > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Open Putty. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Get into a spot where you know you are looking at a > terminal screen > > >> > > or whatever the normal way to use it is. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Turn on Home Row mode with INSERT+SPACE. > > > >> > > Press F3 until you hear it say the word class. > > > >> > > Press CONTROL+F1 and copy the class to the clipboard. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Press INSERT+SPACE to turn Home Row mode back off again. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Flip back to the script manager. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Find the lines in the code that start with two vertical bars. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Copy one of them. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Stick your class in there surrounded by double quotes. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Press CONTROL+S to save and compile the scripts. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Fix errors if necessary. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Compile til fixed. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > You have now created a user set of default scripts if you > are using > > >> > > JAWS 6 and above and have an operating system that is not 95/98/me.. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Jim > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > James D Homme, > > > >> > > Information Design + Development > > >> > > Highmark Inc. > > > >> > > james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> > > 412-544-0527 > > > >> > > "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger." > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > "Vega, Gabriel" > > > >> > > <GVega@xxxxxxxxx> > > > >> > > Sent by: > > > >> To > > > >> > > Programming-bounc > > > >> > > Programming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> > > es@blindprogrammi > > > >> cc > > > >> > > ng.com > > > >> > > > > > >> Subject > > > >> > > RE: Anyone know an accessible > > > >> > > SSH > > > >> > > 10/07/2005 07:37 client? > > > >> > > PM > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Please respond to > > > >> > > Programming@blind > > > >> > > programming.com > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Putty class? Can you explain please? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Gabe Vega > > > >> > > Technical Support Specialist > > >> > > Information > Services Unit > > >> > > Arizona Industries for the Blind > > >> > > > CellPhone:(602) 488-9862 > > >> > > > > >> > > -----Original > Message----- > > >> > > From: > Programming-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> > > [mailto:Programming-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > >> > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:02 PM > > >> > > To: > Programming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > > Subject: RE: Anyone know > an accessible SSH client? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > No, it doesn't, you need to add the putty class to that if > > > >> > > statement, as discussed before on this list. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Take care, > > > >> > > Sina > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: > Programming-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> > > [mailto:Programming-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of > > >> > > Macarty, Jay {PBSG} > > >> > > Sent: Thursday, > October 06, 2005 5:22 PM > > >> > > To: > Programming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > > Subject: RE: Anyone know > an accessible SSH client? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Still requires some JAWS cursoring on XP Pro. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: > Programming-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> > > [mailto:Programming-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of > > >> > > InThaneElf > > >> > > Sent: Thursday, October > 06, 2005 2:47 PM > > >> > > To: Programming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> > > Subject: Re: Anyone know an accessible SSH client? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > putty.exe will require some jaws cursoring probably, > though jaws and > > >> > > XP may have knocked that out, haven't had > a shell to access since I > > >> > > got on XP so don't know yet > myself, but its a good reliable ssh > > >> > > client that's relatively simple to use. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > regards, > > > >> > > inthane > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > From: "Jerry > Richer" <jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> > > To: > <Programming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >> > > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:59 AM > > >> > > > Subject: Anyone know an accessible SSH client? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >> I just got an account on a Unix server at the college down the > > > >> > >> highway. > > > >> > >> They won't let me use Telnet, only SSH. Anyone know an > accessible > > >> > >> SSH > > >> > > > > >> > >> client? 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I > haven't been able to find them as of > > >> > >> yet, so those may be > among my "lost files" of my HD crash, but it > > >> > >> was like > going in to the default file, and un commenting out a line > > >> > > >> and adding one line, maybe that line choi said to add, but that was > > > >> > >> about all > > >> > there was to it. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> maybe one of them will read this and remember, I know > Sina would > > >> > >> have the > > >> > > > >> > >> information on > it since he has records of the list going way back > > >> > >> to the > yahoo list days. > > > >> > >> and if I find it I will post them ASAP! > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> HTH > > > >> > >> inthane > > > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > >> From: "Octavian > Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> > > >> > >> To: > <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, April > 19, 2008 2:13 AM > > >> > >> Subject: Re: ssh client > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >>> Try opening putty, press Insert+S until you > hear "all", and then > > >> > >>> try to give some commands in the > putty client. If you hear the > > >> > >>> text printed it means that > putty can be scripted to be also > > >> > >>> accessible for > > >> > > Jaws. > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > >>> Octavian > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > >>> From: > "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> > >>> To: > <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> > >>> Sent: Saturday, April > 19, 2008 5:18 AM > > >> > >>> Subject: Re: ssh client > > >> > >>> > > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> are you sure? I have always used putty but > it has been quite a > > >> > >>> while, wonder if its jaws 8 and/or 9 > that won't function with it > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> it did work > with 6 or 7, hmmmm > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> will be listening > > > >> > >>> I... > > > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > >>> From: > Kristoffer Gustafsson > > >> > >>> To: > programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > >>> Sent: Friday, April 18, > 2008 10:09 AM > > >> > >>> Subject: ssh client > > >> > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > >>> Hello! > > > >> > >>> I need an ssh client to do my job. > > > >> > >>> It need to be accessible with jaws. any ideas? > > > >> > >>> Ive tried putty but it doesn't work /Kristoffer > __________ View > > >> > >>> the list's information and change your > settings at > > >> > >>> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > >>> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> __________ > > > >> > >> View the list's information and change your settings at > > > >> > >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > __________ > > > >> > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > >> > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > __________ > > > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > >> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > > > > >> > __________ > > > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > >> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > > > > >> > __________ > > > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > >> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > > > > >> > __________ > > > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > >> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > > > > >> > __________ > > > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > >> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > > > > >> > __________ > > > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > >> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > > > > >> __________ > > > >> View the list's information and change your settings at > > > >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > > > >> __________ > > > >> View the list's information and change your settings at > > > >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > >> > > > > __________ > > > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > > __________ > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > -- > Your life is like a penny. 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