I totally agree on the language war avoidance. No worries there, Jamal. I do have to correct you though. Lisp does not require functional programming. This is an extremely oversimplification of the language. Functional programming implies a paradigm which emphasizes the application of functions over changes in state. It's a pure extension of the lambda calculus, whereby all functions return a value and this value does not change except with changes to inputs into said function; thus avoiding state or mutability of any kind. Such a restriction does not exist in lisp. There are programming languages like F# which are more functional programming languages, but even in those, I believe it is possible to have mappings which are not one-to-one with input parameters, side effects , and some semblance of mutability. In functional programming. Lisp is a multi-paradigm programming language. It supported OOP before it was called that, and had things like annotations before Windows was an operating system. It also can be used as a procedural, functional, object oriented, service oriented, inductive, deductive, and/or annotation based language, all within the same program, if you like, and that's just to name a few paradigms. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:04 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Sina Bahram Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials) Let us avoid language wars here, but I think Scala is much more readable and practical than LISP. Scala does not require functional programming like LISP. OOP is fully supported, but functional programming is also solidly supported. It is called Scala because it is intended as a scalable language, where one can use advanced features as needed. In my opinion, Scala is a revolutionary language, not just in the ivory tower but in the real world as well. Jamal On 8/26/2010 12:49 AM, Sina Bahram wrote: > Not to be pedantic or anything, but most of the "advantages of java" so to > speak stem from the nature of the language itself, so it > might be a bit disingenuous, pedagogically speaking, to say that all Java's > advantages exist, because I would submit that it's most > important ones, absolutely do not. > > Don't' get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of languages like Scala, although I tend > to just use a language that can do everything Scala can > and more, called Lisp, if I want that sort of thing. > > > Take care, > Sina > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of QuentinC > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:31 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials) > > Interesting site. > > If scala compiles into java bytecode, then all advantages of java are > available. > Note that swing interfaces are not inaccessible. You juste have to install > the java access bridge and then most of swing API become > accessible. There are few problems with the advanced controls, but the > standard ones go well. > And about turning a java program into windows executable, there is launch4j. > This program wrap a jar file into an exe. > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind