oops, I made a mistake, the other PDF file manipulator that Jamal makes is PDF to html, which only gets you half way there, I do apologize for my muzzy headedness. its a command line run application or at least the copy I have is, he may have updates available that I missed. if this will assist you at all just let me know and I'll pass it to you if its not on the GB site. laters, an embarrassed elf