Re: c++ ide: Codeblocks cross-platform and apparently highly accessible
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:53:33 -0500
The menu you want then is the search menu. It's got a way to jp from
function to function, declaration to declaration and stuff like that.
Man, just took a closer look at the ed sharp navigation menu. Don't
know why I'd been overlooking it all this time. Guess I'm a glutton
for punishment and love doing things the hard way. I think I'll
braille myself a cheatsheet of all the hotkeys. Bet you can litteraly
fly around on a file once you got them down.
Ken: Just realized you were referring to code::blocks with your
reference to control g. For some reason, I thought you were talking
about ed sharp. My apologies for the misunderstanding. I feel rather
silly.
I would be enormously interested in your impressions of the Ide since
you are such an experienced c programmer. Do you know c++ as well? I
know you know java but can't recall off hand if you mentioned knowing
c++. Code::blocks works for c as well though.
Thanks.
Alex M
On 8/22/10, Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Once I get advanced enough to have 512 lines of code, I probably
> would've found the go to line feature. My programs are running at
> about 40 to 50 lines of code these days. Thanks for the tip though.
> Hadn't found it yet. I didn't know about that one in Ed Sharp. The
> webpages I write for work can quite easily run to that many lines. I
> may need that feature some day.
>
> Alex M
>
> On 8/22/10, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> For line numbers, I just hit ctrl-j to jump to a line, type in the
>> line in question, and hit enter. I am not sure if that will work in
>> Codeblocks, but I hope so. When you have a couple hundred lines and
>> are looking at something near the top, then have to go to line 150,
>> having a way to jump right to the line is better than arrow keys. The
>> whole line number thing will vary depending on who you are and what
>> you are used to, though, which is why I hope to find an option for it.
>> As for the editor configuration, I have found that you can hit right
>> arrow to open the menubar item, then arrow down. Jaws will not say
>> anything, but hitting right arrow then left arrow will tell you which
>> item you just closed. Right arrowing again will re-open that item,
>> again silently. However, I cannot get the program to switch to the
>> options available from there, and I am not sure why the editor
>> configuration has only options about the dropdown menus. I am off in
>> search of a conf or ini file to manually edit...
>>
>> On 8/22/10, Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Well, in alt+g, if you are in console application, there's only one
>>> file and it's main.cpp. Dev c++ did it that way too, actually. As
>>> for the line numbers issue, I still haven't figured out how to
>>> navigate the editor configuration menu myself. I, personally love the
>>> line numbers feature since g++, my compiler of choice, will tell you
>>> what line an error is on for you to fix it. something like:
>>>
>>> error line 23: Undeclared variable
>>>
>>> You go to line 23 and bang, you can fix the problem. Not all are that
>>> straightforward but, having the line numbers helps me personally. It
>>> was my frustration with ed sharp. You couldn't just arrow your way up
>>> or down a file till you heard the line number you wanted. You have to
>>> hit alt a or something like that at every line to get it. Don't get
>>> me wrong, I still like ed sharp, especially for python but it's not an
>>> ide. It does have lots of cool stuff though. I frankly am finding ed
>>> sharp's open file types feature enormously useful. I also like it
>>> quite a bit for writing html files.
>>>
>>> Alex M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/22/10, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Thanks! I had it until alt-g. Looks like you have to manually type in
>>>> the filename you want, not just choose it from a list, or did I miss
>>>> something? Also, has anyone managed to turn off line numbering? I
>>>> personally hate it when I have to listen to the line number before I
>>>> can read the line, but I cannot find an option to turn it off (the
>>>> editor options are not much help since I get stuck in one option and
>>>> cannot go anywhere). Jaws11 on win7 if it makes a difference. Thanks
>>>> again. Oh and this may be obvious, but try hitting the applications
>>>> key while you are editing, especially on a line with a variable or
>>>> function name; a lot of cool options will appear!
>>>>
>>>> On 8/22/10, Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, here are the steps to creating a project in Code::blocks and
>>>>> editing
>>>>> in
>>>>> it:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Alt+f for file and arrow to new submenu.
>>>>> 2. Select project ... .
>>>>> 3. Control tab till you are in the listview specifying the category
>>>>> of
>>>>> project.
>>>>> 4. Arrow down to Console and select it by hitting space
>>>>> 5. Control tab again and select console application from the list or,
>>>>> if you want, select dynamic library or empty project whatever floats
>>>>> your boat by hitting space.
>>>>> 5. Hit tab and press enter on go. YOu get another meny with a next
>>>>> button which you need to go ahead and select.
>>>>> 6. Tell it you want c++ or c whatever the case may be and next to
>>>>> enter file name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you've told it what to call your project and where to put it, hit
>>>>> ok and you're in the project tree.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, hit alt+g and you get a list of files to pick from. YOu want
>>>>> main.cpp. Hit enter and you are in the editor. It's got a prewritten
>>>>> hello world application for you. f9 compiles and runs your
>>>>> applicaiton. And, the console output will always prompt you to hit a
>>>>> key to continue before making your program disappear. Gives you
>>>>> plenty of time to use your jaws cursor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried a regular Waht is your name app and was able to navigate it
>>>>> just fine. Incidentally, I have a demo of window eyes on my machien
>>>>> and test drove the ide with it and found it perfectly accessible with
>>>>> that too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the code I ran just now:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> // This program greets you by name
>>>>> #include <string>
>>>>> #include <iostream>
>>>>> using namespace std;
>>>>> int main ()
>>>>> {
>>>>> // the promt
>>>>> cout << "What is your name?" << endl;
>>>>> // Variable to store the name
>>>>> string name;
>>>>> // Ask for input from user
>>>>> cin >> name;
>>>>> // Now, the greeting
>>>>> cout << "Well, hello there, " << name << "! How are you doing today?"
>>>>> <<
>>>>> endl;
>>>>> // We are done now
>>>>> return 0;
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't have to include my usual end of program lines before return 0
>>>>> which
>>>>> is:
>>>>> //Make program prompt to press any key to continue
>>>>> system ("PAUSE");
>>>>> //Make it beep before it ends to make sure you know it's done
>>>>> cout << "\a";
>>>>> //We are done now
>>>>> return 0;
>>>>>
>>>>> This would give me a beep when the program ended. For ides that just
>>>>> did it without telling you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm so sold on this thing it's not even funny. Hope you guys find it
>>>>> as nice as I have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/21/10, Katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> I've dealt with those kind of mods before, and I ended up abandoning
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> board
>>>>>> because of it once.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
>>>>>> Midence
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 11:58 AM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: c++ ide: Codeblocks cross-platform and apparently highly
>>>>>> accessible
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, they probably won't go for it then. They do have a forum. YOu
>>>>>> have to poke around on the codeblocks.org site and find it. Beware,
>>>>>> though, you need to have your questions well throught-through and
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> formulated. They have a very strict moderator who can be downright
>>>>>> rude if he thinks you are being silly. So, if you're going in there
>>>>>> to suggest something, put your rhino skin suit on. (Rhinos have the
>>>>>> thickest skin of all animals they say.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/20/10, katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> Is there a forum where I can go to suggest that to them? The only
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> with supporting C# is the fact that to make it fully compatible with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> needs of the C# developer, they'd also have to support the
>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> ASP.net, which is something that SharpDevelop never did, and never
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
>>>>>>> Midence
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:35 PM
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: c++ ide: Codeblocks cross-platform and apparently
>>>>>>> highly
>>>>>>> accessible
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who knows? That might be in its future. It's open source and
>>>>>>> customizable with plugins. You can also manually add compilers to
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> I don't see why c# couldn't be added at some point in the future.
>>>>>>> They're adding fortran to it, I think which is no where near as
>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>> to c++ as c# looks. Their primary focus though is c++. It looks
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> they are trying to fill and then surpass the void dev c++ left when
>>>>>>> development for it ceased in 2005. I messed around with that too
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> couldn't get anything to compile because it uses an ancient version
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the gnu c++ compiler and I couldn't figure out how to add or change
>>>>>>> it. I could get stuff to compile in cl.exe that would refuse to
>>>>>>> compile in dev c++'s gnu version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/20/10, katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dang it. It'd be really nice then if they made a port of that for
>>>>>>>> C#,
>>>>>>>> wouldn't it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
>>>>>>>> Midence
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 11:34 AM
>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: c++ ide: Codeblocks cross-platform and apparently
>>>>>>>> highly
>>>>>>>> accessible
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far, my friend, I am finding it insanely cool. Last night I was
>>>>>>>> able to positively fly through coding examples and exercises in my
>>>>>>>> tutorial I'm going through. I was able to code and compile them
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> the same app and read the console output just fine. had to use the
>>>>>>>> Jaws cursor but, hey, no sweat. "but, eclipse does that," you say?
>>>>>>>> you have to fiddle with it to get the perspective to change to the
>>>>>>>> console from your code whereas this just pops right on up for you.
>>>>>>>> Compiler error messages were really accessible too. Just read the
>>>>>>>> bottom lines of the screen right above the status line and you're
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> business. I actually used an IDE to do some coding and enjoyed the
>>>>>>>> experience. It was great! Usually, I'm spending half my time just
>>>>>>>> fiddling with the silly thing trying to figure out where in the
>>>>>>>> heck
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am on the screen. Code Blocks was really easy to use. Best of
>>>>>>>> all,
>>>>>>>> it's the full-fledged IDE not a paired down free version of a
>>>>>>>> full-blown commercial app like visual studio. I don't have to
>>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>>> what features I'm not getting and if they interfere with the
>>>>>>>> functionality or accessibility. Another thing I liked is that it's
>>>>>>>> the latest and greatest version of the application. Code Blocks
>>>>>>>> 10.05
>>>>>>>> came out in May of 2010. Even has options to add the Boost
>>>>>>>> libraries
>>>>>>>> and for using the latest proposed additions to the c++ language
>>>>>>>> scheduled for this year during compilation. For once, I'm not
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> the tech from two or more years back because the newest thing isn't
>>>>>>>> accessible yet. So far, I think it's a keeper for me. I don't
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> how it would work with developing gui/windows.api applications yet
>>>>>>>> since that's still far in my c++ future right now but, console apps
>>>>>>>> work great,, that's what I'm writing so, I'm going to use it till I
>>>>>>>> hit a brick wall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/20/10, Kerneels Roos <kerneels@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Alex, looks really cool!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Alex Midence
>>>>>>>>> <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, folks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Been messing around with Code Blocks which is an Ide for c++. So
>>>>>>>>>> far,
>>>>>>>>>> I'm finding it quite accessible. The menus all behave themselves
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> Jaws as do the dialogs though they like ctrl tab as the hot key
>>>>>>>>>> instead of plain old tab for most of them. I was able to use the
>>>>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>>>>> editor and compile my application and read the output on the
>>>>>>>>>> console.
>>>>>>>>>> Thing is, as soem of you may remember, I've still very much a
>>>>>>>>>> novice
>>>>>>>>>> at c++. I'd like to know if any more experienced c++ programmers
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> had any experience with this IDE. It looks great. Does all
>>>>>>>>>> sorts
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> stuff and feels very user friendly. More so, I dare say, than
>>>>>>>>>> visual
>>>>>>>>>> studio did. It's free and open source and comes either by itself
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> bundled with the latest version of the MinGw version of the gnu
>>>>>>>>>> c++
>>>>>>>>>> compiler. It also detected my cl. exe compiler that came with
>>>>>>>>>> visual
>>>>>>>>>> studio express. You can apparently use multiple compilers with
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> thing pretty easily. Any thoughts? Here is the link to download
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> case anyone is interested:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.codeblocks.org/downloads
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's a feature list for anyone interested. I just copied it
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> their site. A bunch of this stuff is still a bit advanced for me
>>>>>>>>>> *gring*:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> •Open Source! GPLv3, no hidden costs.
>>>>>>>>>> •Cross-platform. Runs on Linux, Mac, Windows (uses wxWidgets).
>>>>>>>>>> •Written in C++. No interpreted languages or proprietary libs
>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>> •Extensible through plugins
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Compiler:
>>>>>>>>>> •Multiple compiler support:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ◦GCC (MingW / GNU GCC)
>>>>>>>>>> ◦MSVC++
>>>>>>>>>> ◦Digital Mars
>>>>>>>>>> ◦Borland C++ 5.5
>>>>>>>>>> ◦Open Watcom
>>>>>>>>>> ◦...and more
>>>>>>>>>> •Very fast custom build system (no makefiles needed)
>>>>>>>>>> •Support for parallel builds (utilizing your CPU's extra cores)
>>>>>>>>>> •Multi-target projects
>>>>>>>>>> •Workspaces to combine multiple projects
>>>>>>>>>> •Inter-project dependencies inside workspace
>>>>>>>>>> •Imports MSVC projects and workspaces (NOTE: assembly code not
>>>>>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>>>> yet)
>>>>>>>>>> •Imports Dev-C++ projects
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Debugger:
>>>>>>>>>> •Interfaces GNU GDB
>>>>>>>>>> •Also supports MS CDB (not fully featured)
>>>>>>>>>> •Full breakpoints support:
>>>>>>>>>> ◦Code breakpoints
>>>>>>>>>> ◦Data breakpoints (read, write and read/write)
>>>>>>>>>> ◦Breakpoint conditions (break only when an expression is true)
>>>>>>>>>> ◦Breakpoint ignore counts (break only after certain number of
>>>>>>>>>> hits)
>>>>>>>>>> •Display local function symbols and arguments
>>>>>>>>>> •User-defined watches (support for watching user-defined types
>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>> scripting)
>>>>>>>>>> •Call stack
>>>>>>>>>> •Disassembly
>>>>>>>>>> •Custom memory dump
>>>>>>>>>> •Switch between threads
>>>>>>>>>> •View CPU registers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Interface:
>>>>>>>>>> •Syntax highlighting, customizable and extensible
>>>>>>>>>> •Code folding for C++ and XML files.
>>>>>>>>>> •Tabbed interface
>>>>>>>>>> •Code completion
>>>>>>>>>> •Class Browser
>>>>>>>>>> •Smart indent
>>>>>>>>>> •One-key swap between .h and .c/.cpp files
>>>>>>>>>> •Open files list for quick switching between files (optional)
>>>>>>>>>> •External customizable "Tools"
>>>>>>>>>> •To-do list management with different users
>>>>>>>>>> And many more features provided through plugins!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Build system
>>>>>>>>>> Code::Blocks implements a custom build system with very important
>>>>>>>>>> features: ultra-fast dependencies generation, build queues and
>>>>>>>>>> parallel builds are the most important ones to mention.
>>>>>>>>>> Debugging
>>>>>>>>>> The debugging subsystem has been greatly enhanced in the latest
>>>>>>>>>> version. Automatic/manual watches, code/data breakpoints, call
>>>>>>>>>> stack,
>>>>>>>>>> disassembly listing and memory dumps are only few of its
>>>>>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex M
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