Re: Vinux from Debian 5.0.7?
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:55:36 -0600
Kerneels,
Please keep in mind:
Vinux has 2 versions out right now. One is long -term release, the
other is more recent. Maverick is the more recent and it is Vinux
3.1. It was made available about 2 or 3 weeks ago. 3.0 is based on
Lucid Lynx. it is the one I personally use but it doesn't have the
newest bells and whistles of Ubuntu 10.10. I am very stability-driven
so, I am not bothered by this. I like to wait a while before I
upgrade to the latest and greatest. So, there are two versions to
pick from: 3.1 based on Maverick and 3.0 based on Lucid.
Alex M
On 12/27/10, Kerneels Roos <kerneels@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Excellent to hear that. Well, I guess I'll just have to download the
> non-free CD or DVD ISO then.
> Thanks
>
> On 12/27/2010 8:11 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>> Oh, goodness no! I usually have Orca running in a Gnome session,
>> Speakup in one consle with a command prompt showing and Emacspeak in
>> yet another console with speakup on silent. All use e-speak as the
>> synth and both Orca and Speakup use speech dispatcher. Emacspeak uses
>> it's own thing but, bottom line is, I've had a three-part chorus going
>> once when Orca announced something going on in gnome, speakup
>> announced something else happening in a console window and Emacspeak
>> was reading me back some code. They can all be going at the same time
>> and don't get in each others' way. They can and will all talk at the
>> same time using the same synth without making each other crash or
>> anything. The only two that have conflicts are Orca and Emacspeak.
>> Solution is not to run Emacspeak in a Gnome session but in a console
>> instead. Works very very well. The only problems I've ever had were
>> of my own making when I took it into my head to tinker with something
>> that should've been left alone like trying to fix Festival or
>> something like that. I finally fixed it to work in Vinux but was
>> disappointed in the quality of the synth. I would've been just as
>> happy if I'd left things alone and didn't have to break four installs
>> to land on the magic fix.
>>
>> Alex M
>>
>> On 12/27/10, Alex Midence<alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Hi, Kerneels,
>>>
>>> I use the 3.0 full version. I didn't download the libre version
>>> precisely because I had that fear. I downloaded the dvd version and
>>> braille and speech both worked out of the box immediately for all
>>> three screen readers on the live cd. The only problem I've had is
>>> with braille and the virtual machine but, if you run it from a live cd
>>> and, I imagine, from a full installation, that little bug would go
>>> away.
>>>
>>> I know of one man on that list who runs a debian distro but it's Min
>>> Debian. I don't know if he built vinux from scratch using the
>>> vinuxscripts through the git clone command or if he just went his own
>>> way though.
>>>
>>>
>>> You should let Tony know that the Libre edition didn't come up
>>> talking. He runs the Vinux-support list. Vinux's biggest claim to
>>> fame is that it is a distribution that works right out of the box for
>>> blind people when it comes to speech. I suspect that you will need
>>> some of the non-free codexes to work with your hardware though. Look
>>> forward to welcoming you to that list. Everyone on there is
>>> exceedingly kind and helpful.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alex M
>>>
>>> On 12/27/10, Kerneels Roos<kerneels@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the vinux list. I knew it existed but will now join it as it
>>>> seems to be the place to take this discussion further and ask other
>>>> questions.
>>>>
>>>> Vinux is a wonderful project. I got the 3.0 Libre edition, which only
>>>> contains free software, but I've tried it on two machines now and it
>>>> doesn't speak out of the box (people on this list previously did give me
>>>> some pointers on how to get it speaking, which I have not tried yet
>>>> since I do have a Ubuntu 10.04 with Orca and compiz plugins for
>>>> magnification and color inversion). Perhaps the version with the
>>>> non-free software included works better out of the box since it contains
>>>> some non-free firmware and other low level code (does anyone know for
>>>> sure)? Anyway, I'm sure there's some small problem easy to fix to get it
>>>> speaking.
>>>>
>>>> What I was hoping for was a sort of log or journal of all the
>>>> modifications done to a vanilla Ubuntu so I can attempt it on Debian and
>>>> other distros. I guess the best way to find out is to poke around in
>>>> Vinux to see what modifications were done there, and also to use Vinux
>>>> to see what nice things have been done for you already.
>>>>
>>>> On my previous Ubuntu systems I could never get speakup and orca to work
>>>> at the same time, but I believe vinux has sorted this out?
>>>>
>>>> It would be really great if Vinux could be a sort of meta package that
>>>> could just be added onto whatever distro yu want, like a version for
>>>> Debian, one for Ubuntu, one for Fedora etc. That way, whatever you are
>>>> forced to, or choose to use you can get all the nice AT working quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Theoretically, if it can work on Debian it can work on all derivatives
>>>> with slight modifications to compensate for distro specific configs?
>>>>
>>>> On 12/27/2010 6:32 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>> Hi, Ty.
>>>>>
>>>>> It depends on which .iso you download. The Cd version is pretty
>>>>> stripped down. You basically have to install everything. There are
>>>>> "easy install" scripts you run to make it happen. The DVD version is
>>>>> the one that is pretty packed. It's about 1.9 gigs. Lately, he even
>>>>> has a really big one which is even larger but which he says is more
>>>>> geared for the whole family, sighted and blind alike which is trully
>>>>> gigantic. The Cd version is like 600 megs or so though. It's the
>>>>> barebones Vinux. comes with Orca and Speakup using Gnome desktop.
>>>>> 3.0 also comes with Yasr (I think that's how it's spelled).
>>>>> Apparently stripping down the CD version any further causes
>>>>> complications with dependencies and such. Vinux is largely targeted
>>>>> at Linux newcomers as well as towards visually impaired users in
>>>>> general. This means that it's going to be set up as user-friendly as
>>>>> possible so, this translates to inclusion of as much as a new person
>>>>> would need to hit the ground running. There's been talk of a CLI
>>>>> version like they did with Debian which would, of course, be a much
>>>>> smaller distro but I don't think it's a priority. Tony Sales writes
>>>>> that there will be a meeting online where a lot of the new direction
>>>>> for Vinux will be discussed. He wrote that there will be lots of
>>>>> projects coming up. We are going to have a bonified manual in there
>>>>> which is going to require a team of people working towards writing it.
>>>>> Also, the testing of packages for accessibility with Orca and Co.
>>>>> will be formalized by having a team created to do this systematically.
>>>>> He's going to open up the development of future packages to a wider
>>>>> audience as well as the maintenance of the project's webpage. If
>>>>> anyone wants in on it, now's the time to join the list(s). Vinux is
>>>>> very exciting since it's an operating system specifically designed for
>>>>> all VI people and not just those who are advanced computer users.
>>>>> Also, Vinux is a distro which the Accessibility person at Ubuntu uses
>>>>> to test screen reader accessibility of features for possible
>>>>> inclusion in the main Ubuntu distribution. Pretty significant if you
>>>>> ask me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/27/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> I think that Vinux 2.1 was debian, but they switched to Ubuntu
>>>>>> recently--I would like to see a minimal version of Vinux put out there
>>>>>> sometime, since the current maintainers seem to have a thing for
>>>>>> packing
>>>>>> it with junk I don't care to have in a Linux distro, and which can
>>>>>> easily be grabbed through the package manager. But before I
>>>>>> sidetracked,
>>>>>> 2.1 was the last debian I know of, then they switched to Ubuntu.
>>>>>> On 12/27/2010 4:14 AM, Kerneels Roos wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there exists a list of packages and
>>>>>>> modifications,
>>>>>>> and notes on how to make the mods which one could apply to gain the
>>>>>>> same accessibility found on Vinux but on a Debian stable
>>>>>>> distribution?
>>>>>>> I would prefer to run Debian rather than Vinux.
>>>>>>> I also understand it is possible to transform an Ubuntu system to a
>>>>>>> Vinux system by installing something like vinux-lucid (is this also
>>>>>>> available for the latest 10.10 Ubuntu named maverick)?
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Ty
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