Re: S A P

  • From: Vince Mistretta <vmistrettatech@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:43:39 -0400

Agree and they need to revise for WAI-Aria and other standards coming.
 Governments, however, have specifically referenced the adoption of
only Section 508.  That happened her in Fl but I'm showing them
there's much more than that now with RIA and UIA.  Haven't seen any
action though.

On 9/9/11, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> There's so many holes in section 508 it makes swiss cheese look rock solid.
>
> On 9/9/11, Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO
> <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone who have chimed in on this subject. I am going to
>> forward
>> this to some folks in my building.
>>
>> Susie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vince
>> Mistretta
>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:31 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: S A P
>>
>> Since you work under USDA, they should be incorporating accessible
>> product under Section 508.
>>
>> I do know SAP has a very active accesibility workgroup working on the
>> accessibility of their products.  Most of their products release
>> currently are using Java based platforms and supply the JRE with the
>> installs for the installation if it is not already installed under the
>> common shared files.
>>
>> I personally only get involved with Crystal Reports which is one of
>> their inherited products and work for this is coming along wit rumor
>> of an accessible product in possibly next version.  I tried all the
>> recent JRE based CR versions XI, 2008 and the latest and accessibility
>> still is not fully there even using Access-Bridge.
>>
>> I also know that they did do an accessment of all their current
>> products within the past 2 years to find out what they needed to do to
>> get them to work with screen readers in all Windows platforms.  I also
>> understand the Java Eclipse plug-in for Crystal Reports is somewhat
>> accessible so that's a start.
>>
>> If you wish to know more about accessibility in SAP products, contact
>> them directly.  They may be able to forward your questions to someone
>> who may be working on the issues for the products USDA is bringing in.
>>
>> Anyone know what the SAP Project on Freedom Scientific's site is all
>> about?  Maybe tha'ts related to this issue.
>>
>> On 9/9/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Susie,
>>>
>>> We are moving toward SAP where I work, although it doesn't involve me
>>> directly yet.  However, what I know of it is that it is very big with
>>> many
>>> modules and
>>> many roles that people can play.  For example, there is something that
>>> can
>>> come with it called Business Warehouse which I believe is pretty much
>>> accessible by querying data as I understand it.  Companies that move
>>> completely to SAP follow a process that can take years.  What SAP means
>>> to
>>> you is
>>> going to be very dependent upon what role they are thinking of you
>>> playing.
>>> The time table might also be important to you, as it may not have that
>>> much
>>> of
>>> an effect on you if you plan to retire within the next couple of years.
>>> As
>>> I understand it, though, there are things you can do with it.  my advice
>>> would be to
>>> not go to the meeting next week ready to say it is or is not accessible,
>>> but
>>> with the idea of finding out what your role will be.  It would also be
>>> interesting to
>>> ask if accessibility has been raised with SAP and what they have told
>>> your
>>> management since I would guess they are required to pick an accessible
>>> vendor
>>> for this.  The question is more complicated than "Can one program in
>>> SAP,"
>>> but that is probably good.  Unless they are only using SAP for a very
>>> specific
>>> purpose, though, it is going to take a while to implement it so there is
>>> time.  It sounds as though we may both have a very good resource in
>>> Dorene,
>>> and I
>>> am hoping she will chime in here if what I have said is not accurate.
>>> Also,
>>> knowing more about what the plans are there is very important.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:26:45 +0000, Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I would really like you to post the accessibility issue. I am going to a
>>>> meeting next Thursday concerning user interface and I wanted to make
>>>> myself
>>> informed to some degree.
>>>
>>>>Susie
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dorene
>>>> Cornwell
>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:27 PM
>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: Re: S A P
>>>
>>>>Susie
>>>
>>>>SAP is an international company based in Germany and I am on a list of
>>>>blind interpreters and translators. Some of them do technical
>>>>localization and have to work to varying degrees with the products
>>>>they work with. Would you like me to post a question and see whether
>>>>any of them have enough experience to help identify accessibility
>>>>issues?
>>>
>>>>To be honest, I also think when people make purchasing decisions that
>>>>it is reasonable that accessibility and training about how to use
>>>>accessibility features be included in the work plan. Have you already
>>>>asked people involved in the decisions and deployment scheduling about
>>>>accessibility, say as a reasonable accommodation?
>>>
>>>>Best
>>>
>>>>DoreneC
>>>
>>>>On 9/8/11, Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO
>>>><susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> I don't know, but I will try to find out which modules we are getting.
>>>>> You
>>>>> have all been very helpful. I had hoped this would blow over, but it is
>>>>> gaining strength from the upper management folks in Washington.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Susie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dorene
>>>>> Cornwell
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:44 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: S A P
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Susie
>>>>>
>>>>> SAP is a large suite of programs that do database management with
>>>>> different orientations for different business functions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Put SAP into the search engine of your choice to get started or put
>>>>> SAP accessibility into the search engine and see what comes up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know what modules of SAP are to be adopted in your office?
>>>>>
>>>>> SAP and Crystal Reports are separate independently developed products
>>>>> from different vendors. Crystal Reports is a report writing program
>>>>> that can interface with a variety of databases. Frequently the data
>>>>> used for report-writing functions has been cleaned, standardized,
>>>>> restructured from transaction databases to support specific report
>>>>> structures.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a lot more that could be said, but is this enough to start?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Dorene Cornwell
>>>>> Seattle WA
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/7/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Susie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "SAP" I have heard of is a huge software solution that is used to
>>>>>> run
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> business.  It basically is intended to replace many of the functions
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> traditionally been handled by in-house software to handle ordering
>>>>>> products,
>>>>>> billing, inventory, sales reporting, and even some HR applications.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> what you are talking about, there are many different parts to it and
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> hard to say whether it is accessible or not accessible.  Some of how
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> retrieved
>>>>>> is handled by SQL, for example.  If your agency is converting to SAP,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> necessary to understand what exactly they are converting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 19:46:11 +0000, Katherine Moss wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think it's where Chrystal reports comes from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan
>>>>>>> Schulz
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:39 AM
>>>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: S A P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>only heard the initials.
>>>>>>>they use it at monsanto as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City,
>>>>>>> MO<mailto:susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>To:
>>>>>>> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: S A P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Listers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here at the U S D A they have decided to develop code with S A P. This
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> German company. That is all I know about it. Have any of you had any
>>>>>> experience with this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Susie Stanzel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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