Hello again, I've definitly tried jaws 10 beta 1 with the same error as jaws 9. I'll try NVDA as soon as I can. Sounds like it might just be a runner. frustrating that 64 bit has now been around for years and none of the major players have even made some attempt to support it. Darragh __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind