Hi. created 2 menu strips, but jaws was only reading the one menu i had created, and the menu items, a pain to remember, as about 7 or 8 items, with different text values. so, might try again, just one menustrip, and see what happens. really frustrating, there must be an easier way to put menu strips, then add menu items. really starting to annoy me. any one got any suggestions, or any addons i can use, which would do this? cheers Marvin. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind