Ok, aside from the Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio Express thing, just wondering what other guys would use for things like creating/modifying tables, and stored procedures, for backing up and restoring databases, etc. etc. for something like either SQLServer express that gets installed with full version of VS.Net 2008, or an actual MSSQL Server? TIA Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'