Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA

  • From: chris hallsworth <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:07:00 +0100

It won't be. Display hooks do not use your video card the same way as video intercept. 



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On 15/07/2010 12:02, Homme, James wrote:

Hi,
I hope it's not video card or driver dependent.

Jim

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:29 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA

Hi all, you are right. NVDA is having something called display hooks
implemented, which collects information sent directly from the computer
screen, rather than through accessibility APIs which not all programmers
use. System Access has this already.


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On 15/07/2010 8:12, Kerneels Roos wrote:

Last time I checked there were some noise made in the NVDA community about
better UIA support being in the pipeline for the next version, or somewhere
in the near future. There has also been some talk of implementing an off
screen model as well. I believe NVDA has some UIA support already?

Can you guys imagine what could happen if all of us and corporates and
governments would donate something like 10% of the funds we spend on
accessibility software towards a project like NVDA? Since NVDA is freely
available, the whole wide world would benefit from every dollar invested in
it as aposed to traditional paid for software where only the select few gain
from one more paying customer. Just a thought.

With that said I do support the paid for software model as well as open /
free software -- there is a place for both.

The other option for software vendors is to make their new software
accessible without the use of a screen reader, like self voicing apps for
example. It's probably not a viable option in most situations, but if they
choose to use a very new technology which is not accessible yet, this might
be the way to go for the first few versions until the screen reader guys
have caught up.

K

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Alex Midence<alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:


Oh, no!  Ya just jinxed yourself, watch.  =p  I think the problems I
was having had to do with the express edition.  MS allegedly fixed the
full studio edition right off the bat.  All I know is, I'm using 2008
now and it works jsut fine.  Help files are more extensive too.  Glad
to know it's working well for you though.  Are you a Jaws user?

Alex


On 7/14/10, katherine Moss<plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>   wrote:

I have been using both VCS express 2010 and VWD express 2010, they crash
periodically, but it's not significant enough for me to be concerned with

it

... not yet, at least.

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:58 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA

Hi,.

It's supposed to.  I haven't thought much of it to tel you the truth.
I've encountered uia in microsoft learning essentials and vs c++ 2010
express.  Both times, I had lots of problems.  Vs Express is
practically unusable right now.  Crashes like there's no tomorrow
unless you turn uia off.   I don't think UIA is mature enough and I
don't think Jaws supports it well enough.  I'd steer clear if I were
you.

My two cents,
Alex M

On 7/14/10, katherine Moss<plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>   wrote:

Technology is getting more advanced, so I hope that the manufacturers

are

willing to advance with it.  We as blind folks shouldn't be limited to

the

range o technologies we can use simply due to those people not

cooperating

and doing what needs to be done.



From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:10 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA



Thanks Jim: I have used WindowEyes for several years but am thinking of
looking at JAWS. My guess is that the new Visual Studio will need

scripting

since it is getting heavily  into WPF, Silverlight and other stuff that

I

question how accessible the new stuff will be without some scripting

help.

I

don't know where WindowEyes is going with the new Accessibility

standards

and scripting but have read that at least some of the Visual Studio

features

work with JAWS 11, although I am not sure about the current JAWS Scripts

and

all that jazz. I am just looking into what might be required going

forward.

Windows 7? WPF? Ado.net Entity Modeling or MVC? and a bunch of other

things

like Silverlight, html5 and CSS3  that might  pose problems for certain
Screen Reader accessibility hooking and scripting implementations, used

by

JAWS and WindowEyes current flavors.Just a thought before I consider

picking

a screen reader, operating system and development platform for the next

few

years of Windows Programming and Web Development.

Rick USA

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From: Homme, James<mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:48 PM

Subject: RE: JAWS Scripting And UIA



Hi Rick,

With JAWS 11, yes, but I have heard that support is immature.



Jim



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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:02 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: JAWS Scripting And UIA



Hi: Does the JAWS Scripting Language support access to the UIA hooks for
applications like VS and WPF or Silverlight?

Rick USA





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