RE: How Does JAWS Treat These CSS Parameters?
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:50:42 -0400
Hi,
They decided to go with IE7 here even though IE8 was coming out.
Jim
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rasmussen, Lloyd
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:39 AM
To: 'programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: How Does JAWS Treat These CSS Parameters?
In Internet Explorer 8, you can press F12 or go to Tools, Developer Tools, and
examine or edit the current HTML, CSS, JScript, DOM and many other things in
excruciating detail. Much of the information seems to be accessible to
Window-Eyes, and it looks like it could be a good environment to help people
develop web pages, without installing VWD, DreamWeaver, etc. I googled and
found some MSDN articles about it which would also be very helpful, because the
IE help barely mentions this feature. I think it comes standard with all
copies of IE 8. If anyone looks further into this, please report back on your
results.
Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
Library of Congress 202-707-0535
http://www.loc.gov/nls
The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the
Library of Congress, NLS.
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:56 AM
To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: How Does JAWS Treat These CSS Parameters?
Jim,
Have you tried using Firebug to identify the style / classes applied to the
element when it is not performing as you would like? Firebug is a bit of a
pain to get your head around, but it is a very powerful DOM inspection tool.
Everett Zufelt
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On 2010-07-16, at 6:48 AM, Homme, James wrote:
Hi,
Thanks folks. Much appreciated. Something else has to be going on with this
thing then.
Jim
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:45 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: How Does JAWS Treat These CSS Parameters?
Hey,
JAWS 11 will honour both display: none and visibility: hidden. Because
screen-readers do honour these CSS properties it then actually becomes tricky
to find a way to design a CSS class that will hide information visually but
keep it available for screen-readers.
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On 2010-07-16, at 6:41 AM, Homme, James wrote:
Hi,
I'm not actually sure that the code works correctly. It's generated by a huge
application that's like a black box.
Jim Homme,
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From:
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of D!J!X!
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:46 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: How Does JAWS Treat These CSS Parameters?
It works for me here, are you sure you are selecting the right part of the page
and that the code works correctly?
HTH, D!J!X!
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From:
programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:19 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: How Does JAWS Treat These CSS Parameters?
Hi,
This question involves JAWS 11.
It seems like JAWS is not honoring display:none in a style sheet on the web. My
question is: how does it treat display:none and how does it treat
display:hidden? It seems like it's allowing things to display even though the
CSS has display:none.
Thanks.
Jim
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