Re: Daisy/Dtbook/OPF simple example
- From: "Arnold Bailey" <arnoldbail@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:17:19 -0400
Jennifer:
Thanks for the links. I had planned on going to the daisy forum. I have done
a lot of investigation on the pipeline; but, the points I made were not
clear. This includes even the AMIS documentation.
On the point of a presentation, I think that a company like dolphin who is
doing a lot of commercial work with conversions would not be what I'm
looking for. The MS Word to daisy pipeline to audio player does not seem to
be a hard process to accomplish. It's just that there is so much superfluous
information in one instance and not enough in other instances.
Peter, I'll pursue this on the daisy forum and I'll post my solution.
Arnold
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Jennifer Sutton <jsuttondc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Blind Programming folks:
>
> I'm coming in late to this thread, but from what I can tell, you do need
> the DAISY Pipeline. AMIS is, as Lloyd indicated, a player (or sometimes, we
> call them reading systems).
>
> I am not sure whether there is yet an Open Office converter in the
> Pipeline, but it's a free open source tool, so anyone is welcome to
> contribute to the effort. The key would be to see if one has been begun by
> anyone else, by communicating with that work group.
>
> At the moment, even if you are creating DAISY full text, without audio, you
> do need a SMIL file. AMIS, as one DAISY reading system example, expects
> one.
>
> Peter, if the NFB wants this DAISY production seminar to happen, why not
> write to the DAISY Consortium so that they can help you get to the right
> people across a range of authoring tool vendors, including, perhaps, a
> demonstration of the Pipeline.
>
> Handy links may prove to be these, if you've not found what you are looking
> for by now:
>
> DAISY Contact us form:
> http://www.daisy.org/support/contactus.shtml
>
> DAISY forums:
> http://forums.daisy.org/
>
> DAISY Pipeline:
> http://www.daisy.org/projects/pipeline/
>
> Most recent newsletter:
> http://www.daisy.org/news/newsletters/
>
> Jennifer
>
> At 04:32 AM 5/27/2008, you wrote:
>
>> I'd like to create an mp3 file that is staandalone. I'd want to listen to
>> it on the PC.
>>
>> I mentioned AMIS because it was one of the open source tools used for
>> playback that was on the daisy list. I'm starting with an MS Word/Open
>> Office document that has a TOC and a number of chapters. Pretty small (just
>> to test). I want the user to be able to listen to the TOC and navigate, with
>> bookmarks through the file. Ifelt that AMIS could be used to playback with
>> navigation.
>>
>> Do I need an authoring tool? I began to look at Urakawa OBI which is also
>> open source. Is this what I need?
>>
>> Arnold
>>
>> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen <<mailto:
>> lras@xxxxxxxxxxx>lras@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> What do you plan to do with the MP3 file? Play it standalone on any MP3
>> player? AMIS is not an authoring tool, but a player. It can play
>> text-only
>> Daisy documents through various speech synthesizers on your computer, but
>> it
>> doesn't convert anything.
>>
>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
>> Home: <http://lras.home.sprynet.com>http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>> Work: <http://www.loc.gov/nls>http://www.loc.gov/nls
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:<mailto:programmingblind-
>> >programmingblind-
>> > <mailto:bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Arnold
>> Bailey
>> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 3:53 PM
>> > To: <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: Re: Daisy/Dtbook/OPF simple example
>> >
>> > Hi Lloyd,
>> >
>> > I'm just starting and I've been trying to filter through all the
>> > information. I'm still not sure of the process that I need to follow:
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. I created a dtbook xml file from open office that looks good as
>> per
>> > the daisy documentation. It's a simple document with a table of contents
>> > and a number of h1/h2/h3 items. I'm using it just to find out what
>> > processing I'll need to create an mp3 file at the end.
>> > 2. I originally thought I needed the daisy pipeline to do some kind
>> of
>> > conversion? After I looked at the daisy xml file, I didn't see where I
>> > needed daisy pipeline.
>> > 3. So, I went to AMIS, because it is free and appeared to be what I
>> > needed to get to an audio file.
>> > 4. I found out though, that I needed an OPF file as input. I believe
>> it
>> > contains the daisy xml that was generated by OO with tags around it that
>> > describe the book itself externally?
>> > 5. It was here that I've been trying to pull together the wrapping of
>> > the daisy xml file to create the OPF file.
>> > 6. I don't use an SMIL file. Do I need to with a text-only document?
>> > 7. I'm not sure about the daisy 2.02. I can't remember if AMIS
>> required
>> > it or not.
>> >
>> > Can you fill me in on where I need to look or generally what I need to
>> do
>> > to get to the audio mp3?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Arnold
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen <<mailto:
>> lras@xxxxxxxxxxx>lras@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi. I assume you intend to produce according to the Z39.86-2005
>> > standard,
>> > rather than Daisy 2.02. If you are doing an audio version of a
>> web
>> > page,
>> > you are running the XML file through text-to-speech, perhaps using
>> > the DAISY
>> > Pipeline? Will you produce an NCX or SMIL files? Is there enough
>> > information in the AMIS documentation to tell you what it
>> requires?
>> >
>> > At a minimum, I would say that an OPF should have the following
>> > items:
>> >
>> > Dc:title, dc:publisher, dc:format and dc:identifier so that, if
>> > your
>> > production is distributed, people know what it is and who did it.
>> > Dc:identifier is used in constructing bookmarks in a player.
>> > Dc:format
>> > tells a player what version of the standard the book purports to
>> > adhere to.
>> >
>> > In the x-metadata section, dtb:title tells a player how long the
>> > book is, if
>> > it contains audio.
>> >
>> > A manifest section lists all of the files in the book
>> >
>> > A spine section lists all of the SMIL files in the book, in
>> reading
>> > order.
>> >
>> > I know that the AMIS player, because of the way Daisy 2.02 books
>> > were
>> > produced, expects to find separate SMIL files for each navPoint
>> (or
>> > at least
>> > the SMIL files are not expected to be very complex.
>> >
>> > I work on this stuff in the Z39.86-2002 format all the time for
>> NLS,
>> > and
>> > serve on the committee that is planning how to update the -2005
>> > standard, so
>> > I may be able to help.
>> >
>> > Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
>> > Home: <http://lras.home.sprynet.com>http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>> > Work: <http://www.loc.gov/nls>http://www.loc.gov/nls
>> >
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > [mailto:<mailto:programmingblind->programmingblind-
>> > > <mailto:bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Arnold Bailey
>> > > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:18 AM
>> > > To: <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: Daisy/Dtbook/OPF simple example
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > I'm trying to develop a prototype to present, to the viewer,
>> > audio (from
>> > > a DAISY file) of the web page. I'm using an Open Office
>> extension
>> > to
>> > > create a dtbook xml file. I have to create an OPF (package) file
>> > to
>> > > describe it before it can be input to the audio application
>> > (AMIS). The
>> > > document is pretty basic. I'm just trying to debug the process.
>> > Does
>> > > anyone know where I can get some simple examples of how to
>> create
>> > this opf
>> > > file? I've looked at some of the NAMIS examples; but, they
>> involve
>> > full
>> > > books and are fairly complex. Any inputadvice/guidance would be
>> > > appreciated.
>> > >
>> > > Arnold
>> > >
>>
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