Jamal, Well stated and my exact thaughts. One of the big trends I've been reading about are "web frameworks"; like ruby on rails, cakephp and turbo gears (just a few). What is important about all of these frameworks is their emphesis on separation of business logic and visual presentation. I know lots of sighted web programmers who's employers want them to keep their fingers out of the visual aspects and focus on the business logic/process. Their employers recognize that graphic designers/artists are much better at the "eye candy" and completely out of their depth with programming design/logic. Developers need to know enough to get the site functioning to a point that designers can work with the html and css to make it beautiful. My two cents. Mike __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind