Jamal, I agree with you 100%.You said well, we can do very well web development in general, and many of the list members shown this, but our strength is not in the design area, but in other areas of web development, and I think we should concentrate on those areas.
As I said, most sighted web designers can create very eye-candy web pages, but I know for sure that very few of them also know something about things like accessibility, or W3C's standards. If we want to work in this field, I think that we should be able to promote us and to explain the potential employers what's the advantage of accessibility and the W3C's standards, and show how we can help a team of web designers with our knowledge, and not try to show that we, the blind persons, are able to create a better design than a sighted can.
We would have a bigger chance to get employed if we would be doing that, because we won't have too many sighted competitors that know things about standards and accessibility for the disabled.
Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 2:38 AM Subject: Competitiveness of blind web developers
Given Octavian's prior experience as a sighted web designer, I take him at his word that he cannot do things he used to be able to do, and empathize with his implicit frustration at not being able to compete favorably with sighted web designers in every possible way.. With that said, however, I think it is flawed reasoning to think that we compete against people who have all of the same skills except for the addition of sight. As others here have said, we compete with a combination of strenghts and weaknesses, one of the latter being the lack of sight -- for both its physical and prejudicial consequences. I submit that the combination of Octavian's skills, by his own description, make him competitive as a web developer in his country. I did say web developer rather than web designer, because I infer that the latter refers to highly visual aspects of web development. It is understandable that a blind person would be at a serious disadvantage in primarily visuall-oriented artistic expression. I do not think blind people can compete in painting, for example. To me, a more important question than the competitiveness of web design, thus, is the competitiveness of web development for blind people. I think Octavian is right that a lot of web sites emphasize "sexy" visual appeal, for which blind people cannot realistically compete in development. However, I do not agree that such web sites are the primary means of web site competitiveness. Google -- the most popular web site in the world -- has succeeded partly because of the usability of its design, which is not visually sexy, but highly usable. Many other sites would similarly benefit from principles that emphasize productivity rather than entertainment of the user, and users would reward such sites with their visitation and purchases. Thus, I think it is more meaningful to conceive of us competing as web developers rather than web designers. We cannot provide all the glitzy subtleties that the best sighted designers can do, but we can master principles of web site usability (including accessibility) that make the sites we develop both productive and pleasing to visit. These things said, I do think that we have to be extra good at nonvisual aspects of a profession in order to compete -- again, because of both physical and prejudicial adversities. We must, for example, know HTML, CSS, and principles of visual asthetics, mouse, and keyboard usability better than average in order to compensate for the disadvantages that we will fase as a result of blindness. Doing so is within the realm of possibility -- not just for the exceptions -- but it does require additional dedication to the field. Regards, Jamal __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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