There is a difference and when you read the long text of the actual = bill they explain it. The difference is that the costs are shifted to the recipient rather than the sender. In junk mail, the costs are postage = to the sender and the only cost is of disposing of it. In email the = recipient pays for bandwidth, used HD space, used storage space on the mail = server etc. They try to make it equivalent to receiving junk mail with = postage due. =20 I find the interesting part of the law that any one of three parties = can go after the spammer and/or the advertiser. The three parties include: the individual receiving the email the ISP of the recipient the Attorney General of California The penalty specified is actual damages or $1000 per incident per email address. I didn't see much as far as when which penalty is applied. = The great thing is that the burden of proof is all on the = spammer/advertiser. They have to prove they had your permission and they have to prove that = they provided all of the necessary steps to opt out and had the initial = business relationship with you to begin with. Any bets on which ISP files the first lawsuit on January 2, 2004 when = the courts open? James=20 -----Original Message----- From: kg6ocz [mailto:kg6ocz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:25 PM To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: california spam law: :VSMail mx2 Do you REALLY expect ANYTHING the Gov does to make sense???? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Danny Wilsher" <dwilsher@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: california spam law: > what about all the mail I get in my snail mail box? is that any = different? > how can they pass a law banning one and not the other? just curious........ > =D0=E4=F1=F1=FF .............. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cris" <cris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "PCTechTalk" <PCTechTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:47 AM > Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- california spam law: > > > : Content-Type: text/plain; > : charset=3D"Windows-1252" > : Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > : from: http://www.spywareinfo.com/ > : > : California Bans Spam. All Of It. > : Permlink | Top > : > : California Governor Gray Davis has signed a law that criminalizes = the =3D > : sending of commercial email to people who have not explicitly = requested =3D > : it. There are no exceptions to this law, no loopholes to exploit. = If it =3D > : is an email sent in bulk, advertises any product and the recipient = did =3D > : not request it, a crime has been committed.=3D20 > > To unsub or change your email settings: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk > > To access our Archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ > //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ > > For more info: > //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=3Dpctechtalk > > To unsub or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ For more info: //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=3Dpctechtalk To unsub or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ For more info: //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=pctechtalk