-=PCTechTalk=- Re: aol problems
- From: Chazzman@xxxxxxx
- To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:31:55 EST
In a message dated 1/22/2003 7:41:33 PM Central Standard Time,
Clickninny@xxxxxxx writes:
Clickninny---wish I'd said that. Remind me to never diss you? You have a
powerful way with words and their expression.
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> Sorry to have irritated you Nun ...that was not my intent...But i am sorry
> for your irritaion and your inability to accuratly gauge intent...NOT for
> my
> words...because i believe strongly about what i was saying.
>
> You know ...im so in luv with all the net has to offer. As a romantic
> living
> in a droll time period ...i always appreciated the late 1800's . People,
> even
> the lowliest farmhands....could communicate the written language with such
> eloquence and vocabulary as to astound.
> When they talk about education sukking these days ...they aint kiddin (
> know THAT was tounge in cheek ) ( please note that without HTML i cant
> emphasize "they aint kiddin" with anything but caps ...i cant even
> italicize it ...and shouting just didnt seem right here. However i would
> have
> preferred to make it stand out so some people would have an easier time
> grasping it quicker )
>
> SOOOO. when i first experienced chat...and newsgroups , etc...i thought how
>
> wonderful ...in 50 years itll be a resurgence of marvelous written word
> full
> of expression and clear meaning.
>
> WHY 50 years?...Because you dont have to be even a tiny futurist to
> realize
> that modern communication is TOTALLY audio driven.We are all automated to
> judge "intent" purely by voice inflection...hilariously enuff...even when
> we
> READ something from someone else. It will take at least that long as a race
>
> to mellow out and not be so judgemental over the written word. ....To
> question their own senses before they question a writers intent and
> responding.
> I have a friend of 20 years and it is almost impossible to chat with him
> on the net....He misinterprets just about everything the wrong way.All his
> friends have trouble with this...yet we can all verbally communicate with
> no
> problem. It is sad that we as humans cannot adjust to new ways quicker as
> to
> avoid unnecessary conflict.
>
> SOOOOo..to avoid that AGAIN here ...i will help the situation by
> occasionally injecting meaning and tone...just as if you were reading a
> story
> . Ive EVEN added MUSIC!!! ( altho since this is not HTML ...you will just
> have to imagine it whereas you could have heard it ...adding much ...just
> like in a movie soundtrack )
>
> If you will go back and Re read my post with a different eye...i believe
> you will see that the sentence "If you are screwed to tight " ...does NOT
> refer to you directly .
> It was not "tounge in cheek".... Clickninny said sincerely ...in the
> belief that Nun could and would take the time to read his thoughts several
> times before responding in ire.
> ....It was as straight forward as a late night info-mercial....and refers
>
> to a cautionary "state of being" applying to the ( any ) reader of the
> post.
>
> i would also suggest that in re reading my post you would see that there
> are
> NO personal attacks on you ...i made no suggestions to you personally...i
> gave you no direct suggestions...or MANDATES as you have given me and i
> ask
> you to reflect on that. ( now THATS a suggestion )
>
> However in your return post ...i see plenty aimed at me...and by the way,
> my words WERE chosen carefully,.... you just chose not to see them as such.
>
> Hence the "and no offense to Nunyabidness's viewpoint." i included at the
>
> bottom...which you blissfully chose to ignore.
> So now i WOULD wonder as to a personal judgement about just how tight you
>
> ARE screwed...where as before...it didnt even enter my mind. ...he said
> firmly but without malice.
>
> Im in many groups and in every one there is always a general tone from
> some quarter of each one that suggests we all clamp down and look at or
> view
> only what is neccessary .....giving advice ( as i see it ) to experience a
> lesser internet experience for the sake of safety.
> In my experience each of these people are eventually exposed as having a
> lesser income ...or having crappy circumstance that that they must pay per
> download.
>
> i know there are people people in the world who suffer daily due to any
> number of circumstances and are for any number of reasons ...less fortunate
>
> then me...
> It does NOT mean that i request my TV broadcast to me in a TEXT only
> version...so i can commiserate with them ...and punish myself by bringing
> myself down to their level of miserable experience...he said with a shrug ,
>
> hoping the shrug would define some level of angst at his helplessness to
> change the world for those less fortunate than him.
>
> ON THE CONTRARY... if i could, i would request EXTRA pictures to ENHANCE
> my
> experience. Those people who had a more miserable experience than me in any
>
> given portion of their life ...just have to pick themselves up by their
> boot
> straps and IMPROVE their own situation...If they instead chose to line up
> on
> the freeway and express their dissatisfaction with this or that .....i will
>
> drive by ...he said with an aire of Republicanism...even tho he thought of
> himself as a democrat in "overallness".
>
> And here in lies the friction....this time i did NOT drive by ...as a
> member
> of something, i chose to get out and offer an opposing viewpoint .... i
> said..."FREINDS ..FRIENDS ...life is NOT THAT dire....DRINK IN ALL THAT YOU
>
> CAN WITH YOUR EYES and you shall see MORE JOY AND ENRICHMENT."
> Thanks to your reply to my suggestion of a heightened experience...
> brother
> Nun...i now know what it feels like to be a Hare Krishna at the
> airport...and
> have a passerby tell me which orifice to shove the incense i was offering
> freely.
>
> ( enter Jaws movie type sountrack )
>
> And if you are only reading my return here with a balled up fist looking
> for
> a "fiesty" quotient that you can REPLY to...looking for ammo as it were...
> instead of the possibility of apperception...then please consider
> this....He
> asked politely even while his eyes were glazing over in the manner of a
> reti
> red axe murderer.
> It is NOT sophistry:
>
> ( enter: chorus of angels in an ascending scale )
>
> As humans we are all definable by some quantitative factor...All the people
>
> in the world could line up judging FAT for instance...at one end of the
> line
> would have to be THE MOST FATTEST person in the world and at the
> other...the
> LEAST FAT.
>
> That fact holds true for any possible element we could measure...including
>
> HOW TIGHT WE ARE SCREWED....
> Do we all have some measure of that element? ...Probably. And all borne
> from different life experiences and in different categories.
> Now the following may be true and it may not be ...he said with honest
> uncertainty ...but since you chose to make this personal... hidden within
> group policy... i will point this out.
> i'm betting ...based on your posts versus mine...and EVEN by the NAME we
> choose to represent "who we are " to others on the net ....that in the line
>
> of "WHOSE SCREWED THE TIGHTEST " you are closer to the "MOST" end of the
> line
> than i am...
>
> Do i enjoy pointing that out? ...no i dont ...You know why? ...cause
> probably in the past ...i have asked a question here ...and Nun himself has
>
> guided me in the right direction. And im sure i was grateful for that.
> Depending on what it was i may even have considered building a shrine in
> your
> honor in my backyard. SO i have RESPECT for at least your knowledge...but
> your attitude is dismal.
> I even enjoy the fact that if not for the net...chances are you and i
> would
> have never have had words to each other upon this planet. ...and maybe in
> some small way our conversation will help take some sour out of your life.
> So this is bothersome to me..But i NEVER attacked you with slurs as you
> have me....he said pointedly.
>
> i make my living AS AN ARTIST. Unthinkingly, ( is that innocence?) you
> were "anti-art" in your suggestion to ignore HTML , driven only by your
> circumstance. I dont remember lessening YOUR lively hood in my post.
> ...i did NOT ATTACK YOU...i OFFERED a viable suggestion as to not HIDE from
>
> the dorks who make all our net experiences less ( dont let the terrorists
> win
> by lessening your personal experience ) ....and a suggestion to weigh an
> internet experience for WHAT IT IS and ALL IT CAN BE...not by the
> circumstances you may fell forced to experience it in.
> Doing THAT is WRONG ...INSTEAD...Pull yourself up by your bootstraps
> ...experience both ways ...THEN make a judgement on whether a full and
> embellished email experience is your cup of tea.
> If you are forced by where you live to suffer your net experience ...and
> the net is important to you or fascinating ...THEN MOVE. Otherwise live
> with
> it.
> If you are too poor to do anything but pay per minute on the net and the
> net is important to you ...GET A NEW JOB. Sorry. Those are the vagaries of
>
> life we all face in some aspect or another. Get over it . Dont spread doom
>
> and gloom instead as an alternative.
>
> The needs of the many outway the needs of the few...or the one. Yet it is
> often "the one " or the "few" who would try to convince newbies or people
>
> who are unsure that they should moderate their experience to what the few
> are suffering ...THAT is wrong...get it?
>
> ( in case you feel this is "overzealous " ...feel free to add a
> parenthesized "in my opinion " wherever you like )
>
> PS ...cynicism does not EQUAL "wise ass"
>
> PSS (respectfully to Mr. Cowboy )...i will not reply any further on
> this
> thread be assured . .....i expected a nix...quoting some guideline as to
> group policy that exsists to please all in an inclusional sense ...but not
> nessacarily a philosophical one which may allow upgrades to such policies.
> ..... But i did not expect paternal cuteness. This is an important
> issue.....
> not a tiff. Most new users are apprehensive and scared of wrong moves
> ...We
> forget our own earliest experiences with the monsters known as computers.
> And
> a sour viewpoint tends to add MORE apprehension...NOT allieviate it
> ...which
> i assume should be at least an UNDERLYING goal of this group.
> The reality is that each group tends to generate a "tone". That "tone" is
>
> a derivative of ALL its members with a small percentage of albeit neccesary
>
> facism from its owners. It is a STEW and we the members are all hunks of
> meat
> which determine FLAVOR . Flavor = TONE.. A TONE is inescapable. We are not
> automations ...we are human.
> What tone did you plan? ...Do you see it ? Do you sense it?
> ..My response to the original post was an attempt to add some sweetness
> back to the "tone" which often appears doom and gloom. ...and my
> contribution and right i thought.
> However if this group thrives on "sour" and attempts to add sweetness are
>
> met with further rhetorical sour without allowing a reinsertion and defense
>
> of sweetness... then maybe im in the wrong group. ... If this post is not
> allowed to go thru...then decidely SOUR has prevailed and that is the
> moderator's choice.
> After all, in that case i would be "the one" as previously
> mentioned...and
> what good are all these platitudes at the bottom of emails if in fact no
> one
> lives by them or apperceives them ?
> In fact ...heres one NOW....as offered by Nun...Clickninny offered
> regrettably. ( after all he didnt start it but he felt it was his right to
> finish it )
>
>
>
>
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