I don't know the tools that decrypt stuff like that, but I would have to agree with Dave. It makes more sense to me that they would have to decrypt the last run encryption before they can work on the first encryption. Although I can understand that the programs they use probably automatically start decrypting next level after each level completes, so that could be considered one step. In other words, clicking decrypt button once could do however many levels of encryption that was done, one after another. So, that wouldn't save time, but you click it and wait however many hours/days/weeks/months it takes to decrypt. Ed -----Original Message----- From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of LARRY SOUTHERLAND Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:22 AM To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Theoretical techical question I understand your points; I think that you may be missing mine. Consider the following plaintext All Good Men Come to the Aide of their county. One encryption program converts this to: ASDWEWSER$#$sdrff33SDRF#$34#$ The second encryption program converts that text into: 23D#@$8878734SDR*E&R*E*))))))3423&SDF^&F^ My question really comes down to: Does someone have to decrypt the 2d string of encrypted data into the first string and then convert the 1st string into plaintext OR Can systems take the second string and IMMEDIATELY convert it into plaintext? It would seem reasonable that the former would have to be the case b/c their isn't (I don't think) a one-to-one correspondence of the data at each level of the encryption, that is, if one were to take, as an example, a CODE, and then convert into into a CIPHER, you'd have to know both in order to figure out the original plaintext (this is my analogy). Consider the following plaintext: The enemy is coming from the east this coming Monday. I use a code manual to represent this plaintext as: My waiter has a horrible cold. I then use a cipher to convert that code into: JQMNO R4DJ9 3DJLD 34ADJE 9SALE DSTUV It seems like you would have to break level 1 independently, then break level 2 However, I'm told that the way that codebreaking with computers work, a multi-level encryption can be broken in one step. That just seems crazy to me. --------------------------------------------------------------- Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. To subscribe, unsubscribe or modify your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk OR To subscribe to the mailing list, send an email to pctechtalk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject. To unsubscribe send email to pctechtalk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject. To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To join our separate PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------