For Java go to www.sun.com .There you will find their latest Java set up. I think that MS has given up on theirs, can't remember. Andy -- <Please delete this line and everything below.> To unsub or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/